Examining The Roots Of The Inner Healing Movement

Inner Healing – Christian or Occult?

https://mkayla.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/inner-healing-christian-or-occult/

Originally posted on January 31, 2013 by mkayla

Having been trained as a SOZO minister I know the dangers it presents first hand. The following is a well written article which relates to SOZO (Christianized inner healing with no basis in scripture.) 

I know there are many of you out there with questions and concerns. I hope this helps shed some light on its origins and why we need to stay away. Christ is sufficient for all our needs. Every one of them.https://mkayla.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/inner-healing-christian-or-occult/

*’SOZO’ is not referenced below but draws from the same sources, applying the same principles. I will leave site links to specific ‘SOZO’ information. All inner healing that focuses on supposed, suppressed, subconscious memories, is suspect, and in my estimation, to be scrupulously, prayerfully examined, before any consideration. I believe God can and does reveal what may be hidden from one’s present understanding, that can be addressed, without delving into deep, supposed, spurious, subconscious, matters.

*Daryl – I implore the reader to read all the way thro’, examining the roots of the movement, considering this: Is there a point when truth becomes more important than our emotionally-based perception?

Inner Healing/Healing of Memories

Christian or Occult?*

–  Healing of the memories, or inner healing, or healing of the emotions has its roots in the teachings of anti-Christian and occultist, Agnes Sanford. It was carried on after her death by those she influenced, such as lay therapists Ruth Carter Stapleton (deceased sister of Jimmy Carter), Rosalind Rinker, John and Paula Sandford (currently of Elijah House, a demon-deliverance and memory healing center in Port Falls, Idaho), William Vaswig (of Renovaré fame), Rita Bennett, and others. John WimberDavid Yonggi Cho, Robert Schuller, and Norman Vincent Peale are some of the well-known pop psychological practitioners of inner healing, but it has spread widely in so- called evangelical circles in a more sophisticated form through such “Christian” psychologists as David Seamands, H. Norman Wright, and James G. Friesen, as well as a number of lay therapists like Fred and Florence Littauer. (Two of David Seamand’s books, Healing for Damaged Emotions and Healing of Memories, are considered the “inner-healer’s bibles” in today’s psychologically-oriented pulpits.)

Inner healing therapies are offshoots of Freudian and Jungian theories rooted in the occult. They have destructively impacted secular society for decades and are now taking their devastating toll within the professing Church. A variety of “memory-healing” psychotherapies are masquerading under Christian terminology and turning Christians from God to self. Among the most deadly are “regressive” therapies designed to probe the “unconscious” for buried memories which are allegedly causing everything from depression to fits of anger and sexual misconduct, and must, therefore, be uncovered and “healed.”

–  The basic teaching of inner healing is the theory that salvation or healing comes through the uprooting of negative memories or “hurts” caused by others in early childhood that are supposedly buried in the “subconscious” from where they tend to dictate our behavior without us even knowing it. Thus, the blame for one’s bad behavior (a.k.a. “emotional problems”) in the present is placed upon others (who are perceived to have sinned against us in the past) rather than upon ourselves where it belongs (cf. Ezekiel 18). In order to “heal” these “diseased memories,” the occultic technique of visualization (which is in reality a type of sorcery or divination which has been used by shamans, witchdoctors, and sorcerers for thousands of years, and is specifically forbid by the Bible) is frequently used to recreate the distressful childhood scene, “image” Jesus (if one is a professing Christian), bringing Him into the past situation as a “spirit guide”/ ”healing agent,” and then causing Him to sanctify the event, forgive the person who supposedly caused the hurt, and in most cases, even alter the reality of the situation in the subject’s mind, all so that the subject might be “delivered” from the “crippling emotional pain” associated with the past negative experience that supposedly “diseased memory” in the first place. (Charismatic Roman Catholic memory-healers employ the same techniques, but generally substitute Mary for Jesus as the “healing agent” whom the subject meets in the fantasy.)

–  One of the seemingly attractive forms of inner healing is to have Jesus enter a painful scene from the past. The inner-healer helps the person recreate the memory by having Jesus do or say things that will make the person feel better about the situation. For instance, if a man’s dad had neglected him when he was a boy, an inner-healer may help that man create a new memory of Jesus having played baseball with him when he was a boy. Through verbal encouragement, he would regress him back to his childhood and encourage him to visualize Jesus pitching the ball and praising him for hitting a home run. Some inner-healers regress people back to the womb and lead them through “rebirthing” by guided imagery and imagination. Thus, through these psychoanalytic/occult techniques, inner-healers should not be surprised at the possibility of actually altering or enhancing the memory in their zeal to replace bad memories with good memories. Inner-healers are always in danger of unwittingly enhancing or engrafting memories through words or actions that mean one thing to the inner-healer, but may communicate something else entirely to the highly vulnerable subject.

–  Inner healing is based upon the implication that we clearly need something more than God’s love and forgiveness in order to love and forgive others who are perceived to have wronged us in the past. Since the Bible distinctly teaches that Jesus can never be called-up and forced to “perform” at our command, any “Jesus” actually visualized would have to be a demon spirit and not of God. Of course, that is precisely the danger of the occult technique of visualization — subjects are being taught to experiment with things that God has repeatedly condemned in both the Old and New Testaments alike, not because the phenomena visualized (i.e. “spirit guides”) are not real, but rather because they are produced by demons determined to lead one into the worship of other gods and ultimate destruction (Deut. 13 ff.). The Bible repeatedly warns against becoming involved with the occult on any level, because of what the Bible identifies as “spirits of demons working signs” for the purpose of deceiving the whole world (Rev. 16:14; cf. 13:14). This exposure to the occult, however unintentional and innocent, could easily lead the undiscerning into far more serious spiritual or “emotional” problems than they ever dreamed possible. Unfortunately, the research is replete with such cases of demonic/occultic influence experienced by first-time dabblers.

–  Inner healing practices of regressing into the past, fossicking about in the unconscious for hidden memories, conjuring up images, acting out fantasies and nightmares, and believing lies, all resemble the world of the occult, not the work of the Holy Spirit. An imaginary memory created under a highly suggestible, hypnotic-like state will only bring imaginary healing. It may also plunge people into a living nightmare.

What is being taught as inner healing/healing of memories is nothing but basic sorcery, which is an attempt to manipulate reality in the past, present, or future, and denies God’s omnipotence by implying that He needs our “creative visualization” in order to apply effectively His forgiveness and healing, while simultaneously, sets us up as gods who can, through prescribed rituals, use Him and His power as our tools. In fact, inner healing/healing of memories is nothing but “Christianized psychoanalysis” that uses the power of suggestion to solve so-called problems, which the technique itself has many times created.

–  The Bible has much to say concerning the healing of memories (besides condemning its methodologies). The Bible clearly teaches that moral choices rather than past traumas determine our current condition and actions, and thereby, our responsibility; the Bible has always taught that it is not the act in the past but how one reacts to the act that determines “which soul has sinned” (Ezekiel 18 again). Since there is no Biblical evidence that any prophet, priest, or apostle ever dealt with anything remotely related to buried or repressed emotions or memories, then shouldn’t one question why this is so if inner healing is the big truth that its practitioners say it is?

–  If prayer and Bible study and the power of the Holy Spirit are not enough for saints today to deal with life and problems, then the saints of old, including the apostle Paul, must have been greatly lacking. Despite his many hardships described in Scripture, Paul was able to function and rejoice in the Lord without the help of psychoanalysis. Paul forgot the past and pressed on toward the prize (Phil. 3:13-14) promised to all those who love Christ’s appearing (2 Tim 4:7-8).

Likewise, throughout Church history Christians have managed the same when they should have been at a great disadvantage without the “insights” of modern psychology. It is a dangerous heresy to insist that we must accept this new “revelation” by psychologists or live deficient lives. The past is of little consequence if Christians truly are new creations for whom “old things are passed away [and] all things are become new” (2 Cor. 5:17). Searching the past in order to find an “explanation” for one’s present behavior conflicts with the entire teaching of Scripture. Though it may seem to help for a time, it actually robs one of the Biblical solution through Christ. What matters is not the past, but one’s personal relationship to Christ now.

– Instead of being healed, there is a very strong possibility that the recipients of inner healing are now living on the basis of a lie from the pit of hell. Inner healing is not based upon truth. It is based upon faulty memory, guided imagery, fantasy, visualization, and hypnotic-like suggestibility. And, while the inner-healers may conjure up a “Jesus” and recite Bible verses, such inner healing is not Biblical. Jesus said, “If ye continue in My Word, then are ye My disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (Jn. 8:31-32).

Moreover, inner healing is insulting to God when the “healers” attempt to take away His power to bless “emotionally-distressed” people simply in response to their repentance and prayers. It is extra-Biblical, blasphemous, and carnal in its visualization and manipulation of the Son of God. It is dangerous in the way it forces people into childish self-interest, subjectivism, and emotionalism. And it is wickedly presumptuous in its priestly bestowing of forgiveness and assurance.


* Major portions of this report were adapted from: (a) the Fall 1989 issue of PsychoHeresy Update(now the PsychoHeresy Awareness Letter), (b) the 2/93 issue of The Berean Call, (c) two articles in the September 1990, Media Spotlight Special Report entitled “Latter- Day Prophets: The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets and the Kansas City-Vineyard Connection” and “Testing the Fruit of the Vineyard,” and (d) the books The Seduction of Christianity, Beyond Seduction, and The Healing Epidemic.https://www.truthforfree.com/theophostics-pseudo-christian-inner-healing-deception/

 Here is a sample of Agnes Sanford’s theology as referenced in “Abusing Memory”, by Jane Gumprecht,M.D. page 153“Jesus, our time traveler, literally takes us back through our memories and heals them. He entered the collective unconsious of mankind on the cross. We contact our inner child through visualization or creative imagination with Jesus as our spirit guide. Freudian/Jungian unconscious governs our lives.”

False Memory Law suit –  In the early 1990s a Canadian lawyer, under the tutelage of John Sandford, left her law practice to head up Canadian operations for Elijah House. However, they closed down the Canadian offices in the early 2000s. Around that time a man sued for divorce, saying his marriage was torn apart as a result of counseling that caused his wife to have false memories of sexual and satanic abuse. Recently, the wife apparently realized that she had been deluded and she sued Elijah House. More information is in linked statement.

One of the biggest deceptions I believe exists with TheoPhostics is that it presents PERCEIVED healings, not necessarily actual. 
My point in sharing this is that makes sense to me that the devil can introduce lies in the name of “exposing the lie” and thus a person is set free from a false lie (if there even is such a thing) that was only just introduced by the devil… In other words, this was not an actual healing or deliverance at all, but a demonic con job. I’ve watched it happen many times, so I am not persuaded by the argument that says, “it has to be true because there are countless healings”. 

The simple truth is NONE of this stuff in TheoPhostics is the least bit biblical. It is an absolute, undisputed fact that the creator of TheoPhostics was fully trained in secular new age therapeutic tactics. It is an absolute fact that he has CHANGED the wording over the years in his training materials to avoid scrutiny. It is an absolute fact that there are things he once declared were given to him by divine inspiration that he later dismisses or avoids or says that he never taught, when there is much evidence to the contrary.
Is there a point when truth becomes more important than our emotionally-based perception?

http://www.verhoevenmarc.be/PDF/psychoheresy&InnerHealing.pdf
http://www.letusreason.org/Nam57.htm

Theophostic Prayer’

*’Theophostic Prayer’ developed by Ed Smith and similar models all draw from the same sources or same basic principles of supposed, afflicted subconscious memories.

The False light of Inner Healing – The continuing Influence of Agnes Sanford

Some people think that if you are healed or benefit in a “positive manner” that it must be of God. God does good therefore all good is God. That we can use whatever spiritual practice works no matter what its origin or source is. As much as some think this is Christian view, acceptable in Christianity, it is not. It is really pragmaticism overruling clear Biblical guidelines. The Bible has many instructions on avoiding spiritual practices that are not from God and can be harmful, but at first looks good. Just like the fruit Eve was tempted to eat, it looked good, she was told it would benefit her greatly and she followed this instruction even though her conscience knew what God had already said. That is the majority of people that are willing to experiment beyond the clarified guidelines in the Bible.

Agnes Sanford’s was a child of missionary parents who taught her the Bible but this was not sufficient and she was not satisfied that this is what God had to say. Sanford began dabbling in Tao (the force) when she was young.

Agnes Sanford was a universalist and the founder of the spiritual field of healing of memories that began in the 40’s. Her book “The Healing Light” was first published in 1947. Sanford taught that the principles of both prayer and healing are included in all religions, yet transcend all religions. She believed there is a spiritual energy, that is greater than the information contained in the Bible, this power is what she claimed to use. As with all mystically incline seekers, her experience shaped her theology.

Her healing was done through meditation, visualization, imagination and positive confession. She said that if she spilled hot oil on her hand in the kitchen, she would positively confess: “I’m boss inside of me. And what I say goes. I say that my skin shall not be affected by that boiling fat, and that’s all there is to it. I see my skin well, perfect and whole, and I say it’s to be so” (The Healing Light, p. 65).

Sanford taught that everything is a matter of thought vibrations which if “negative” make us ill, and if “positive” heal us. Indeed, “positive thought vibrations” projected upon sinners can even turn them into Christians. So her teaching was an rudimentary accompaniment of the word faith teaching of today. Yet she had a metaphysical basis that accompanied healing, “every cell in the body has a rudimentary mind and will hear your words.

Sanford’s occultic teachings are often attributed to her pastor, Morton T. Kelsey, who studied at the C.G. Jung Institute near Zurich, Switzerland, and who became a Jungian psychologist. One cannot define Sanford’s inner healing without Kelsey who was an influential Episcopalian priest who had communication with and guidance from the dead (Kelsey, Christo, p. 39, 148-49; see also Kelsey, Afterlife: The Other Side of Dying.) Kelsey equated shamanistic psychic powers with the gifts of the Holy Spirit (Supernatural, pp. 120-43), and said “Jesus was a man of power. He was greater than all shamans.”

As the old saying goes, error begets error. Although Agnes Sanford is no longer with us, she died in 1982, her books are sold are in Christian bookstores and therein is the danger. And new inner healing practices are formed from her basis. For example Theophostiic counseling is another inner-healing technique that came from of Agnes Sanford’s teachings. She taught that one should visualize a past situation, and then envision Jesus coming into the memory to solve the problem. This being used in a number of healing methods, including Richard Foster.

In the Healing Light On pages 21-22 four steps are given for tapping into this “God-force,” the second being ” She taught of a “God-force” can be turned on by simply saying to it, “Whoever you are whatever you are come into me now!” She admits to invite into her something she cannot identify, but assumes its God. Sanford accepted whatever way was offered to enabled one to tap: into what she called “this flow of energy,” this “high voltage of God’s creativity. (Sanford, Light, p. 146.) Claiming that “we are part of God,” (Ibid., pp. 10, 34-35.) Sanford also called God “primal energy” (Ibid., p. 30.)

Sanford called God “the very life-force existing in a radiation of an energy . . . from which all things evolved.” She declares that “God . . . made everything out of Himself and somehow He put a part of Himself into everything. (Agnes Sanford, The Healing Gifts of the Spirit (Fleming H. Revell, 1966), p. 22,27. This is pantheism. To support her Science of Mind, she quotes a scientist: “a vibration of very, very high intensity and an extremely fine wavelength, with tremendous healing power, caused by spiritual forces operating through the mind of man, is the next thing science expects to discover” (p 32). She goes on: “The love-vibrations and the faith vibrations of God and His saints [she includes dead “saints” “there is no death” (p. 143)] enter through our thoughts of life and love. In the same way, the destructive thought-vibrations of mankind, and of ‘Satan’ [whoever or whatever ‘Satan’ may be; her metaphysical system requires no personal devil] enter through our thoughts of illness, hate and death” (p 43-44). She even taught that one could forgive another’s sins through visualization (Ibid., pp. 63-64, 68, 112)

Here is how she describes Jesus and the atonement:“God’s love was blacked out from man by the negative thought-vibration of this sinful and suffering world.… So our Lord in the Garden of Gethsemane undertook the great work we call the Atonement—the at-one-moment which reunited man with God.

He literally lowered His thought-vibrations to the thought-vibrations of humanity and received into Himself man’s thoughts of sin and sickness, pain and death…. So He cleansed the thought-vibrations that surround this globe.... (The Healing Light p.125, 1947)

The atonement did not happen in Gethsemane, any Bible student would know this and it certainly did not have to do with thought vibrations, a concept found in the new age movement.

But she goes even further into a metaphysical explanation ‘His blood, that mysterious life-essence.. .remains upon this earth, in plasma form, blown by the winds of heaven to every land beneath the sun, exploding in a chain reaction of spiritual power…. (ibid.)

She explains “I have learned to combine the sacramental with the metaphysical approach… [but] not everyone has the open mind and the visioning faculty necessary if one is to use the metaphysical methods. (The healing light pp,125 1947, The healing gifts of the spirit 1982 pp.140-41: Quoted in Seduction of Christianity Dave Hunt and Tom McMahon).

In her book The Healing Light, she presents a false “God” who is the “life-force” in everyone and in everything. It is a form of “energy” like electricity: “the original force that we call God (p 30)….we are part of God (p 34)….He’s in nature, and He is nature (p 35)….I was conscious of oneness with God, and therefore with the snake which God had made” (p 69). Her pantheism and panentheism is clear.

She claims her book will be a step by step guide on how to use the healing gifts for yourself and others. Hardly feasibly in light of what the Bible teaches on the gifts of the Spirit. These gifts she taught were within everyone: “Now in the speaking with tongues, this power latent in the unconscious mind of all people is.. . quickened, so that the unconscious may make rapport with the unconscious mind of someone else living anywhere upon this earth or of someone who has lived before or of someone who will live in the future or even of someone from heaven. (Sanford, Light,p.152 underline mine)

After understanding her basis of operation we can better understand statements like, “A new age is being born…when love-power [projected] at the command of ministers [and others] is sufficient to change hearts….we [have] an inner source of power that can be tapped at will.” (Agnes Sanford, The Healing Light (1947 ed.), 21-22, 60, 75.

Sanford delved deeply into New Thought, Jungian psychology, and other forbidden territory. She taught that there is a “spiritual body” within the physical body from New Thought teacher Emmet Fox (Sealed Orders, p. 115), this is Kenneth Hagin’s (word faith) concept of the spirit man. Agnes Sanford, accepted Jung’s statement that the child had a psychic life before it had consciousness” (Jeremiah Abrams, ed. Reclaiming the Inner Child  (Los Angeles, CA: Jeremy P. Tarcher, Inc., 1990) p. 293.

Sanford taught that the individual should ask Jesus to go back through all of the stages of his or her life and heal everything, even to birth and beyond.

Follow the soul of Your child all the way back to the hour of birth and heal the soul even of pain and the fear of being born into this darksome world. … *And if even before birth the soul was shadowed by this human life and was darkened by the fears or sorrows of the human parents, then I pray that even those memories or impressions may be healed, so that this one may be restored to Your original pattern, the soul as free and as clean as though nothing had ever dimmed its shiningThe Healing Gifts pp.122 123″ *(D.G. pre-existence of the human soul/spirit – est.heresy by early church fathers)

-First of all no soul is born free but is in held to its human nature, which is no sinless but fallen. If this affected everyone born like she assumes we would all be in far worse shape Clearly this not Christian teaching, it is something foreign. It is Jungian psychology overuling biblical Christianity. In fact she uses Jungian terms to define the gifts of what she thinks is of the spirit.

“For now we know that we have within us another mind than the conscious, and this unconscious mind is not disconnected from life but is connected with the mind of the race: the collective unconscious. Therefore we can ‘pick up’ thoughts and impressions from another or from life outside ourselves, or from memories of the race(Agnes Sanford, Healing Gifts of the Spirit (Philadelphia, PA: J. B. Lippincot, 1966) p. 136)

Have you heard of those teach about picking up others thoughts? They have probably read her book. This is all spiritual mumbo jumbo that should not be taught to anyone.Sanford’s influence can be seen with Rita Bennett, Richard Foster, Bill Vaswig, Ruth Carter Stapleton, Rosalind Rinker; all took some of her concepts. Bill Vaswig (of Renovaré) wrote: “Perhaps the most important thing Agnes Sanford taught me about prayer is that it has to do with the imagination.”

When we hear Richard Foster say that Agnes Sanford is one of mentors we should understand there is a symbiotic relation of their teaching.Richard Foster wrote, “I have been greatly helped in my understanding of the value of the imagination in praying for others by Agnes Sanford …. This advice… [of] prayer through the imagination . . . pictur[ing] the healing . . . and much more, was given to me by Agnes Sanford. (Foster, Celebration, pp. 36.136.)

Sanford saw the Creator and the created as the same.

“Having quieted our nerves and minds by sitting in the most comfortable position and by relaxing, let us now open our spirits to receive the abundant life of God. How easy this becomes when we realize that God is not a far-away sovereign, but is actually the medium in which we live – the very breath of life! . . . For as we tune in our thought-vibrations to the thought-vibrations of God, we expose ourselves, as it were, to His eternal shining and so receive His image upon ourselves.”

This kind of teaching is prevalent in the new age movement and it is fast becoming accepted in the church that does not exercise Biblical discretion.

Sanford said, “It is no longer possible for me to do this work [of prayer] individually, person to person, for the field has grown too wide. The Lord has therefore guided me to a broader and more subtle way of prayer. It baffles me in a way, because I cannot tell what my spirit does and whither it goes. But that it does travel and that God does work through my spiritual body even when my mind is quite unaware of it, becomes more and more apparent.”

(Quote from Robert L. Wise, Healing of the Past (Presbyterian and Reformed Renewal Ministries International, 1984), p. 30

Here we have the occult teaching of soul travel better known as astral travel in new age circles. There is not Bible justification for this.

She went on to say,“Spirits of those [dead] for whom we have prayed on earth are working through us…..One conveys that healing force to the inner being [of the sick] through the law of suggestion …He [the person doing the healing] has made a thought-track between his spirit, subconscious mind and body; the body, the subconscious mind and the spirit of the patient … (Sanford, The Healing Light. pp.98-113,142-43.)

This is about spiritually dangerous as it can get. Among the many false teachings she introduced saying spirits of the dead work through us is as close as one can get to demonism defined in the Bible.

Speaking of someone whose repressed memories failed unaware they were buried

So I thought, ’I will repent of them in her name’ I will say to Jesus Christ, ‘Let the grown woman free, for I will take the responsibility for her sins of fear and hate. Since she cannot see them herself to repent of them herself, I will repent of them in her name and so open the door for the forgiveness of Jesus Christ ” (Agnes Sanford, Healing p. 120.)

And here we find the concept that so many practice today on reconciling people, groups and nations, this is especially found in YWAM. That we can stand in the gap and release people

She taught that the Great Tribulation is in the past; we are now in the Millennium and Christians must, through Science of Mind techniques, take dominion over this earth, even removing the effects of the Fall without the return of Christ. (Creation Waits, Logos, 1978)

Abusing Memory: The Healing Theology of Agnes Sanford by Jane Gumprecht may be a helpful book in understanding what this actually is http://www.amazon.com/Abusing-Memory-Jane-Grumprecht/dp/1885767277

John And Paula Sanford

The Sanford energy goes on and on…

John and Paula Sandford said of Agnes Sanford, “for all of us the forerunner in the field of inner healing . . .[and] our own first mentor in the Lord, our friend and advisor….”

In 1961 John met Agnes and said of this, “I knew by my psychological training that Agnes was praying for the inner boy [his inner child] from conception to thirteen whom I could not reach. It worked. I was healed” (The Transformation of the Inner Man p. 4).

The “child within” is found throughout Sandford’s teaching, and is from the teachings of Sanford and Jung, who certainly was not a believer but had ties to the occult.

John and Paula Sandford began Elijah House as a deliverance and memory healing center. No relation to Agnes except the similarity of ministry practices that they attribute to her influence. And have influence in the theophostic prayer, and the Healing Rooms another type of inner healing ministry.

Like Agnes Sanford Sandford says Memories need to be healed. In fact he goes further, “Memories need to be healed in animals as well as in people. Demons must be cast away, but not without removing their access by healing the memories” (p. 235 Healing the Wounded Spirit)

He says, “the same principles hold true for the deliverance and healing of animals as for people. … we can meet an animals spirit and read its character as we can with humans” (Deliverance and Inner Healing by John Loren Sandford, Mark Sandford 2008)

I have to say that this is beyond speculation and enters fantasy.

Sandford described himself in one of his books as a “super-spook mystic always having dreams, seeing visions, and having far-out experiences” (Healing the Wounded Spirit, p. 255).

So many who have an inclination toward mysticism end up in the same place.

John and Paula attended Chicago Theological Seminary and in 1958, John was ordained in the Congregational church.
John Sandford has written a number of books, Deliverance and Inner Healing;

Transforming The Inner Man: God’s Powerful Principles for Inner Healing and Lasting Life Change (Transformation) which ass sold over 300,000 copies.

The Elijah House Ministries’ website states, a “key principle of prayer ministry will always include looking for the root causes that lie beneath the surface of most problems.

The root cause of all problems is sin. Our trespasses against one another and God.

In Sandford’s view, Everyone is a victim therefore everyone needs deliverance. They use the past that you may or may not remember (or did not happen) to implement their unbiblical method of inner healing, a blend of psychology and distorted scripture interpretations.

Greg DesVoignes, apologist and founder of Christian Research Ministries, in Spokane, did a critique on Sandford’s book, Transformation of the Inner Man.

DesVoignes says: *“Sandford teaches that as part of transformation, the counselor must take a person through visualization, back into their childhood, even back into the womb, to contact their inner child, find out what the problem was at that time, speak to it, and this will allow changes to be made in the present life.”

“John and Paula Sanford were at the fore front of the ‘inner healing’ movement…in the mid to late 1970’s to early 80’s. Ever seeking to “go back and heal the inner child” led John and his wife, Paula to seek”further revelation” concerning the causes of certain “wounding” evidenced in people’s lives. I remember when John & Paula received the revelation that each of us was a spirit child of god before we were born and that “inner healing” had to go back before the womb to deal with trauma of a pure, holy spirit child entering a corrupt fallen body in this world of flesh. (The adherents to the Mormon doctrine of god birthing spirit children that need to come and live in a physical body to mature and be perfected, would love this coming out of the ‘christian camp.)…You might remember Sanford claiming to have wrestled with a demon and a dead woman.” ‘Integrity’ p. 175 by D. Min Th D. Stover Jr. *Again, pre-existence of the human soul/spirit – heresy

I ask where is this in the Bible? I guess if you think you have an Elijah ministry you can teach what is not Scripture but for those who know the Scripture that is insufficient justification for using any kind of Christianized psychology and occult practices.

John Sandford teaches that one can repent for another’s sins. Which is not possible logically or Biblically.

“I go into the Garden (Gethsemane) as often as I need to. There I identify with the pain in the other, with my part in that pain, my part in tempting someone to wound me. I experience the other’s pain, and God’s pain, and am devastated – because their pain becomes my own. Feeling such anguish, I can forgive, or deeply repent, either for myself or on behalf of the other.” (Elijah House, Workbook. p.1-67.)

It’s no surprise that Peter and Doris Wagner of Global Harvest Ministries says “John and Paula Sandford are true pioneers in the fields of inner healing and deliverance,” John Paul Jackson, founder of Streams Ministries, and James Goll, founder of Encounters Network, credit the Sandford’s with influencing and shaping their ministries.John and Paula Sandford have cut back their ministry at Elijah House in recent years to focus on their larger mandate of “restoring all things.” In the last decade, they have moved into reconciling the hearts of Catholics and Protestants, Native Americans and Caucasians, Jews and Gentiles, youth and elders.

Richard Twiss of Wiconi International was also influenced: “John and Paula have been avid supporters of God’s work to bring healing to our First Nations people through the presentation of the Good News of Jesus Christ in culturally relevant ways to our people. As an Osage leader, John was … at the inaugural World Christian Gathering on Indigenous People in New Zealand [in 1996], like an apostolic father affirming his commitment and blessing as we danced, drummed and sang our prayers to the glory of God.

IN CONCLUSION

“If the “inner healing” teachings of Agnes Sanford is the root which is corrupt. The teachers that follow in the same vein,would their teachings not be corrupt as well? Did not Jesus say this exact thing when he said “every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. “A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. “Therefore by their fruits you will know them. (Matt 7:17-20)

You cannot produce the fruit of the Spirit with Jungian psychology and methods that are not found in Scripture that are of the Occult and contrary to it. This is a mixture that man may use, but God does not use.”

SOZO – site links

Link:- https://bereanresearch.org/victims-bill-johnsons-sozo-ministry-speak/?-utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=email_this&utm_source=emailhttp://www.piratechristian.com/berean-examiner/victims-of-bill-johnsons-sozo-ministry-speak-out https://hauntedsoul.org/the-dangers-of/sozo-a-dangerous-inner-healing-and-deliverance-ministry/

https://dynamitepublishing.com/2019/03/31/the-real-roots-and-history-of-sozo-randy-clark-of-toronto-blessing-jungle-and-barnyard-animal-behaviors-bethel-church-argentina-and-more/ Interestingly, the cross (the message of “Christ crucified”) is found nowhere on the official Bethel Sozo website.  I spent a good amount of time going over every page, and no cross!  Therefore, this is yet another good reason to believe that Sozo is a false gospel.  Also, I contacted several official Sozoers and Sozo leaders and asked them how I could know I am saved.  Most of them told me that Sozo [rather than Christ] is “the way to obtain a connection to the Father”!  One of them told me that if I do Sozo, it’s like a “three in one deal” and that I would surely get connected to God via Sozo.  Another Sozo leader told me that if I can hear an actual voice (i.e., of God), it is a sure sign of being saved.  Most of them (all but one) could not explain to me the real Gospel message of Christ crucified, but instead told me to just do Sozo to get connected to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit!  

https://closingstages.net/2011/02/03/sozo-ministry-of-bethel-church-iii/ M’kayla, a fellow blogger commented: “Before I was walking with the Lord I went through some guided imagery with a therapist. I can’t say why and it makes no sense, but the sozo was far more dangerous than what was considered secular. I had more visions and strange experiences during those moments than ever. It did more damage than good in an area that God had already settled in me some time before. All the peace he gave me previously seemed to erode away after those sessions and my experiences were horrifying. In the end, nothing positive comes of the sessions and nothing inside ever changes, but becomes worse. I think it is possible for a person to lose their sanity because of what transpires.” As I stated in my second article, one lady who was involved in the Sozo ministry made a strong point that the Sozo sessions were nothing short of spiritual rape. It makes victims of people seeking a deeper relationship with Jesus Christ and I am astonished at how aggressive these ministries are to get everyone Sozoed.

https://closingstages.net/2012/10/07/ihops-sozo-the-foundations/ “My wife conversed with a lady on Facebook who had been a member of Bethel in Redding, California who told my wife about a friend of hers and her experience in a sozo session.She said that while her pastor {at the time} took her through the “sozo process”, she saw Jesus under an Apple tree; so, my friend being smart enough to TEST THE SPIRITS (1 John 4:1-4), began asking this figure appearing as Jesus; “DID JESUS COME IN THE FLESH”, and,” IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD”. THE FIGURE THEN SAID …NO!” Whatever god they seek in the Sozo experience I assure you it is not the Biblical, Historical Jesus of Nazareth! It is an impostor masquerading as the Christ yet denying the power thereof (2 Tim 3:5).

Theophostic Prayer- site links

https://www.truthforfree.com/theophostics-pseudo-christian-inner-healing-deception/   http://www.verhoevenmarc.be/PDF/TheophosticPrayer.pdf

The Theophostic Prayer Ministry Process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophostic_counseling

Participants in a typical Theophostic Prayer Ministry session are the ministry recipient, a ministry facilitator and optionally a prayer partner.[8]

The ministry facilitator ensures that the ministry recipient understands the process before the session begins.[9][10]

The facilitator begins the session with a prayer of encouragement.[11]

The ministry recipient closes his eyes and concentrates on feeling the emotional pain from which he is seeking relief. The purpose of focusing on the emotion is to allow his mind to drift back to a related memory[12] . That memory is of a situation that the recipient regards as painful and which he has interpreted to form a belief about himself or his situation.[12] The event that is contained in the memory may have occurred many years ago, for example in the person’s childhood.[12] The emotion provides a bridge to the belief.[13]

The ministry recipient describes the memory to the facilitator.[12] The facilitator asks the recipient some questions that will enable the recipient to drill down to the core belief housed in this memory that is troubling him. The questions are not leading questions,[14] as the facilitator does not assume anything about the memory’s content. Rather they are open questions, posed to help the recipient himself to identify the core belief. This core belief is known in TPM parlance as a “lie” that causes lie-based pain. The lie arises from the recipient’s interpretation of the situation.[15] For example, a rape victim may have formed a belief that she is dirty or shameful, whereas she was actually an innocent victim. Though her belief is false, it has the same impact on her emotional state now as if it were true.[16]

Once the recipient has identified the core troublesome belief, the facilitator prays, asking the Lord Jesus to provide the recipient with his perspective, that is, what he would like the recipient to know.[6][12] The Lord answers that prayer in various ways. He might provide his truth to the recipient by means of a mental picture, a feeling, a scripture, a word, a realization or some other way.[12] The truth received from Jesus replaces the painful lie previously believed.[12] The result is peace.[17][18]

*The above is a definition from wikipedia, only! Theophostic prayer still draws upon repressed memories.

https://pbenson.me/2017/04/18/hidden-dangers-of-the-inner-healing-ministries/

http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/psy-innerhealing1.htm

Biblical Response To Deviancy, Heresy and Error

“try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose/reprove/rebuke them.” Eph.5:10-11

“preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.” 2 Tim.4:2-4

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness.  Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.” Gal.6:1
“As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.” 1 Tim. 5:20

“My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.”James 5:19-

“Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right/righteous judgment.” John 7:24

“but test everything; hold fast what is good.” 1 Thess.5:21

correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will” 2 Tim.2:24-26

“But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.” Heb.5:14

Discernment 

Discernment – the ability to obtain sharp perceptions or to judge well (or the activity of so doing). In the case of judgment, discernment can be psychological or moral in nature. Within judgment, discernment involves going past the mere perception of something and making nuanced judgments about its properties or qualities. Considered as a virtue, a discerning individual is considered to possess wisdom, and be of good judgement; especially so with regard to subject matter often overlooked by others.

“The wisdom of God was in him, to exercise sound judgement.” 1 Kings 3:28

Seeking the wisdom of God will impart sound judgment.

(See blog, ‘Evangelical Loss Of Biblical Discernment‘)

Ernie Gruen’s Report – had very detailed, verified accounts, of aberrant practices in Mike Bickle’s church, with over 40 testimonial letters of support for his report, from various pastors of churches in the Kansas City area, as well as numerous other sources.

Are these statements, facts, views, above reproach, or of concern?

Mike Bickle – IHOP As Pastor Gruen related in his message, “Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?”, he met with Mike and his leadership in an attempt to correct growing problems. Mike made a spiritual threat at that time, warning of harm to Pastor Gruen. EG: “It was a terrible meeting. In alluding to the Horsecreek thing, where I sat him down, he said to my face. ‘You touched me illegally and people who touch me illegally, bad things happen to them.’”

“We all have a problem when Mike Bickle promotes an “elected seed generation” theology for his “Movement” that is so wild and so preposterous that it could only have come out of visions from his “prophets.” For example: a. Their literal children, those born since 1973, are the “elected seed,” hand-selected by Jesus and the angels from “billions of little round yellow things” up in heaven to be born into the families of the “Movement.” The “little yellow things” are seeds from actual bloodlines, and they are the “best of every bloodline that’s ever been–Paul, David, Peter, James and John–the best of their seed unto this generation,” predestined and hand-picked to be part of the “end-time Omega generation.”

“They are described as the “chosen generation of all history” who will “possess the Spirit without measure.” b. This “end-time, Omega generation superchurch” will do “10,000 times the miracles in the book of Acts.” They will conduct meetings of “a million or more” where they “will move their hands and the power of God will go like flashes of lightning, and as they go like this over a million people, if a person is missing an arm…it will instantly be created…” They will “walk through walls…they’ll be translated…hundreds of dead will be raised during meetings in ballpark stadiums…over a billion saved…eyes put back in eye sockets…‘invincible–can’t die,” etc. c. Three hundred thousand of Mike’s generation and their superchildren will be last-days apostles. Thirty-five of KCF’s apostles will be “like unto Paul.”

 “We all have a problem when Mike Bickle actively seeks the favor and support of Charismatic pastors and leaders, both locally and across the nation, while privately teaching his people that… “...The Ishmael spirit includes most of the Charismatic churches today. There are two movements, and I believe with all my heart the Charismatic movement is the Ishmael movement... “We’re looking for a whole new order…I don’t want prominence in Ishmael’s camp. I don’t want to be a part of it at all…we want to come out of the old order, because it’s unbroken…untrained…humanistic…manmade, self-centered… illegitimate…afflicted with evil spirits..

 “1000 Religious Leaders to Die in 1990” BJ: “They were 1000 of the religious leaders that have (been) doing this, that was appointed to death–they’1l die this next year. So there’s some death that those that’s been using the anointing of God wrong. (F89, p. 13) “But many of those who have been appointed, even for destruction, they are still brothers.(F89, p. 20) “Well, you’re coming into a year that a lot of religious system and a lot of people that are using the anointing wrong, and it’s simply time for them to go home–will go home, because they’re withstanding the Holy Spirit and when they’re withstanding the Holy Spirit, that’s a dangerous thing now, for the Lord is moving and a lot of the religious system will be taken out of the way. That’s not our business at all…” (F89, p. 27) 

“Kansas City Fellowship taught that eventually all churches would unite with Kansas City Fellowship to form a city church. Unity was encouraged at all costs, and any word of disharmony was viewed as demonic.” 

 JESUS APPEARS WITH SOMEONE ELSE’S FACE. This is a particularly bizarre, irreverent idea professed by Bob Jones and given credibility by Mike Bickle. MB: “…And Bob’s shakin’ his head and he goes, ‘You guys are never going to learn the language of the Spirit, are you? Never going to learn.’ He goes, ‘Jesus appears in thousands of different faces to portray something. He was trying to say, “I’m your friend; I am your familiar friend and I’m going to show you all things so you can move in the power of the Spirit.”’” (F88, p. 60) See Dominus Vision, Section II, C, and Section III, B. 

 SHOCKING ACCOUNT OF ABNORMAL PREGNANCY “There were also times when the prophets were hauled in to prophesy over the masses. One particular friend of mine was prophesied to that she was going to have another child. It turned out that she actually was pregnant and didn’t know it. The strange part was that the pregnancy was not normal in any way. She had all kinds of strange problems, slow growth, abnormal bleeding, etc., and in the end she ended up having a D & C. The results of that were really strange–there was no baby per se, just a blob of hair, nail tissue and other atypical tissue for a pregnancy.” (Testimony Letter 18)  

EXAMPLES OF THE ABUSES OF PROPHECY:

1. LETTER FROM THE ELDERSHIP OF A LOCAL CHURCH  “We thought you might be interested in knowing that On June 22, 1986, three prophets from Kansas City Fellowship were invited to our church. Among other things, they each prophesied that the Lord had told them that our church was to disband, that we had no right to challenge the prophecy, and that if we failed to heed the prophecy, ‘Ichabod’ (the glory has departed) would be written above our door! As a result of the prophecy many people left our church. Those of us who doubted the prophecy prayed and sought the Lord’s will about what we should do. We believe that the Lord wanted us to stay and form a new fellowship, which we did.” (Test… Letter 16) 

JOHN PAUL JACKSON TOLD CHURCHES TO COME UNDER MIKE BICKLE’S ANOINTING.  “John Paul came and prophesied… ‘CCF will collapse unless it comes under Mike’s anointing.’ Two things bother me: We have done fine for four years; there should be nothing to fear…‘Mike’s anointing’–I want Jesus’ anointing.” (Testimony Letter 14) 

 [ Mike Bickle states]: “Everybody is called to live in the contemplative lifestyle. Everyone! Everyone! Everyone! That’s one of the great strongholds we have to overcome resistance to contemplative prayer.‘” “The Protestant wing of the western church, which is a tiny percentage of the Body of Christ…, is nearly completely (98%) unaware that the Holy Spirit is restoring contemplative prayer—center stage—to the church… The Holy Spirit is restoring this precious jewel (contemplative prayer) to the body of Christ. This is the God ordained means of attaining the fullness of God.”

“They, the mystics, are some of the brightest lights in all of history… there has been the brightest lights in all history for men and women of abandonment in the dark ages… somewhere we have to say the dark ages were the luminaries in the grace of God…they were Catholic priests.”

 “…a study of the lives of the mystics, the contemplatives, through history, and clearly the most inspiring, compelling examples of history, in my world, have come out of the Catholic dark ages. I can’t find anything like it in modern times, in America, in the protestant world.”

>I covered the concerns regarding contemplative prayer in “Prophetic Mine Fields’ blog, revealing in detail the views and philosophies of several authors that Mike Bickle followed. 

“A Statement from Derek Prince” is released due to persistent questions posed to him regarding KCF.  Prince is very critical.  He recounts a conversation that he had with Mike Bickle in March of 1990 which is followed by his scathing assessment of KCF/GM:

…At this time I was asked by Mike Bickle to counsel with him and some of his leaders.  I spent nearly three hours in discussion with them.  I told them that I felt they were receiving and propagating error.  Our meeting was conducted in a friendly spirit and ended with prayer, but no conclusion was reached.

Subsequent to this encounter, I studied [the Gruen Document]…It is based mainly on material published by Grace Ministries, or on transcripts of tapes made in Kansas City Fellowship which they themselves circulated.

Very briefly, I can sum up the main conclusions I have reached:

  1.  The material circulated by Kansas City Fellowship contains many statements which have no basis in Scripture and are frequently contrary to Scripture.  Some of the purported “revelations” could be described as absurd and even blasphemous.
  2.  Much of the material is permeated by what I consider to be occult influence.
  3.  The overall affect of the material is to divert attention away from Jesus Christ and the Scriptures and toward subjective experiences and human personalities.
  4.  The circulation of the material from Kansas City Fellowship has exposed the Body of Christ to much error and confusion.
  5.  These errors are deep-rooted and longstanding, dating at least as far back as 1983.

Any effective remedy would require open confession and renunciation of the errors practiced and a radical elimination of the occult element.  All this should be communicated as widely as the errors have been circulated.  A mere change of label or of leadership, by itself, is not sufficient.54

These recommendations were never acccepted and applied, instead, Vineyard Ministries assimilated Metro Christian Fellowship , John Wimber, promising to deal with the problems addressed, which is exactly what Derek Prince said should not happen! Rather, the problems were not addressed, and Mike withdrew from Vineyard Ministries 5 years later!

This is a prime example of how things functions and how Mike handled opposition!

These were bare minimum example reports , many more are reported in other articles.

IHOP – 1999

IHOP was initiated in 1999, 6 years after Ernie Gruen’s report. The issues and concerns only increased as young people gathered for the beginnings of 24-7 prayer, in a super charged atmosphere of spiritual uncertainties, which are detailed below. Many student testimonies are in ‘Prophetic Mine Fields‘ blog, and available on various websites. The entry below is just one condensed, investigator’s report.

Private Investigator’s Report
“Upon entering the program I plotted a subject group of 40 individuals, male and female mixed, all under the age of 30 years old.  I had classes with many of these individuals, shared prayer room time slots, roomed with several of them and served on one of the worship teams with others.  During the course of three months, all 40 of these people began to exhibit signs of mental and physical fatigue and emotional exhaustion on a consistent basis.  All of them claimed to have had demons cast out of them and claim to have had the opportunity to cast demons out of someone else.    Over one quarter of them tried at one point to leave the program and were forbidden.   Over half these subjects were expressly told by a leader that they were not to contact their family members.  All subjects were subjected to mandatory fasts.  (The leaders will deny the fact that the fast is mandatory; however, students are forbidden to leave campus to buy food and the only food service place on campus is shut down, thereby enforcing a mandatory fast.) Over one quarter of the students had food forcefully removed from their apartments.  All 40 subjects claimed to have had a prophetic word given to them by God and ironically each word was information directly from either their application or their journals.

Subject Group:  40 persons Documented demonic possessions:  24 Tried to leave and were forbidden:  12 Told not to contact family members:  23 Forced to fast:  40  Food forcefully taken from their apartments:   Information abused to give the appearance of a prophetic word: 40   demonic possessions:  24

Many of the students were reprimanded for expressing doubts about some of the theology being taught in the Forerunner School of Ministry.  When these doubts were expressed and questions were asked, students were publically humiliated and made to feel guilty for their “ungodliness.”  Anyone who questioned the theology was placed under constant and careful surveillance to the point that they were literally living every moment in fear.  If they had food it was confiscated “for their own good” so that they could fast and pray without distraction.  They’re prayer room assignments were lengthened so that it was difficult, with class schedules, to find any time to sleep.  Through these tactics of starvation and sleep deprivation the student was brought back to a place of submission to the ideals being taught.  IF that submission was not achieved, they were removed from the program altogether, publically condemned for not being one of the elected seeds and ridiculed by their peers.  The leaders also instructed other students to isolate themselves from the “trouble-maker.”  

Of my subject group,  12 began questioning, 2 of the 12 ended up hospitalized for dehydration and sickness, 4 of the 12 were removed from the program for refusing to accept what was being force fed and the other 6 broke down under the weight of peer pressure and exhaustion. 

It is my professional opinion, based on these results that IHOP is not Christ following ministry, despite the fact that they say they love Jesus outwardly.  Jesus is not the focus of this ministry.  In fact, during my three months in the program, I never heard the message of salvation through Jesus Christ taught or even remotely discussed.  The constant emphasis is on the movement of the Holy Spirit.  Praise is not given to Jesus, but voices or praise are rather lifted to invoke the Spirit to come and provide revelation.

During my time on one of the worship teams I gained insight into a behind the scenes look at how some of the manipulation works.  First, worship team leaders are taught a very specific way to lead worship.  They are instructed to follow a mantra, which is chosen ahead of time by the leaders.  There are levels of mantras and we were instructed that if those in the prayer room appear disconnected, to up the mantra to the next level.  There is a basic set of chords to be played repetitively for a pre-set amount of time, usually a minimum of ten minutes is required before altering the chord combination.  This is all done to induce relaxation and assist those in the prayer room to reach deeper levels of meditative spirituality.

Of the 40 subjects I studied, 29 of the 40 expressed having visions of angels and demons;    16 of the 40 expressed hearing an audible voice (they assumed to be God) speaking to them while in the prayer room; 7 of the 40 were visited by a spiritual being they called Emma; 4 of the 40 were visited by a spiritual being they called Dante; 21 of the 40 experienced jerking, twitching, and uncontrolled convulsing.  ALL of these documented experiences were isolated ONLY to the prayer room. At one point during my assignment in the Forerunner School of Ministry, I was chosen with three others to meet with the Director of FSM, Mike Bickle (also the founder of the IHOP movement).  I had heard many things about him prior to our meeting.  We were taken to his office and he lifted his hands and prayed over us, as new leaders of worship, “chosen for the harp and bowl” he said, “selected to guide the prayers of the saints and usher in the second coming of our Lord.”   He spoke prophetic words over each of us, words he claimed to be given to him directly from God.  The words he spoke over me were directly (almost verbatim) from my journal entry that had been turned into my group leader the day before.  He slid open a panel in his office wall and had each of us look through it into the prayer room and he told us he would be watching us “guide the flock” in prayer and worship.  The meeting had more of an “I’m watching you” threatening undertone than it did a positive vibe.  He then instructed us in meditation, specifically what was to be said and in what order; and made us write down his instructions.  I have included these instructions in my report:

  1. Speak slowly  2. Speak softly 3.  Speak briefly (short phrases or even just one word)  4.  Speak minimally (listen more than you speak)   5.   Pause a lot (linger in waiting mode, emptying your spirit)   6.  Pray with your spirit (focus your mind and direction to the Holy Spirit)   7.   Release gentle sighs and moans (focus on the Holy Spirit, talk to Him)   8.  Gaze into silence (feel the divine magnet pull you and let it take you)                        

Then we were instructed to chant the following things aloud, waiting five or ten minutes before moving to the next one.  He called this the “TRUST” method.  We were to chant these five things using the instructions below:

1.     Thank you Holy Spirit.  2.   Release Revelation.  3.   Use Me  (add in every three or four phrases:  use me to prophesy and become a vessel of  the manifestations of the spirit.)  4.  Strengthen Me (add in every three of four phrases:  it takes the power of God to feel God) 5.  Teach me. Never once was Jesus or Christ or God mentioned in this equation, but rather the focus was on praying to the Holy Spirit and seeking prophetic revelation, visions and signs and wonders.  I noted while taking notes how many times Mr. Bickle instructed us to “pray to the Holy Spirit” and it was 36 times in our meeting which lasted under an hour.”  

> When the response is: “Wow, I never knew that!”, when is it then appropriate, responsible, and necessary to consider responding with; Something needs to be said, something needs to be done!

The points of concern reiterated here, are just the tip of the ice berg. Much more detail is made available in my blog on ‘Prophetic Mine Fields,‘(sources also), as well as numerous web sites, (of which I can also, further provide) I admonish all, with questions, as faithful, concerned, ‘Bereans,”Search these things out, to see if they be so.’ 

 For 35 years this has been the response of discerning, concerned Christians, yet the deviant dilemma continues, thinly veiled in ‘prophetic’ avante guard, spiritual speak easies. We must cast off the disbelief, and fearful, erroneous assumption of slander, criticism, and ‘judgement,’ in the face of such deviancy and heresy. Walking in truth, requires speaking the truth in love, “so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, in unprincipled cunning with a view to systematized error; Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,” Eph.4:14-15

I plead with the Body of Christ to courageously, wisely, lovingly, address these things publicly, in the face of encroaching apostasy, that by doing so, many may be delivered and saved, from deception and destruction! Selah!

Ernie Gruen’s Report “Aberrant Practices” @ IHOP-Kansas City

Why This?

Many will and have voiced concerns about making this kind of thing public, perhaps because they think it might be false rumours, or inaccurate reporting, or that we are not to judge, or criticize, but ‘leave it in God’s hands.’ 1. The Bible tells us otherwise. 2. This report follows a blog on ‘Evangelical loss of biblical discernment,’ and cautions I was given by others. 3. Clearly this report reveals the accuracy, and validity of the blog, demonstrating exactly what I’m urgently wanting to communicate, a desperate loss of discernment, in evangelicalism today! 4. This has existed and grown for 35 years, 31 years since Derek Prince expressed his observations and concerns, with no apparent changes, being embraced by an ever increasing gathering of unaware evangelicals!

Ernie Gruen’s Report “Aberrant Practices”  …https://outlook.live.com/mail/compose/AQMkADAwATY3ZmYAZS05ODNjLTY4MzMALTAwAi0wMAoARgAAA7nFBTOoGaxCiKb6qFEASb0HAPY6XXqJ6HpIrrS6g1r5atMAAAIBDwAAAPY6XXqJ6HpIrrS6g1r5a     http://www.banner.org.uk/kcp/kcp-gruen.html http://www.banner.org.uk/kcp/Abberent%20Practises.pdf Full 233 page report available from web site above

DOCUMENTATION OF THE ABERRENT PRACTICES AND TEACHINGS OF … “WHAT’S THE PROBLEM?” Open Letter by Ernie Gruen, Pastor Full Faith Church of Love 6824 Lackman Road Shawnee, Kansas 66217 This letter summarizes a number of our, concerns regarding Mike Bickle and Kansas Citywww.banner.org.uk

“WHAT’S THE PROBLEM?”  Open Letter by Ernie Gruen, Pastor Full Faith Church of Love 6824 Lackman Road Shawnee, Kansas 66217                                                 

This letter summarizes a number of our, concerns regarding Mike Bickle and Kansas City Fellowship. I hope you will take the time to read it carefully. I have known Mike Bickle since his arrival in Kansas City a little over seven years ago. We at Full Faith Church of Love are also well-acquainted with many wonderful Christian brothers and sisters who attend there. While there have often been controversies, strange stories, and troubling rumors associated with Kansas City Fellowship, I never sought to substantiate them; rather, I accepted Mike Bickle with open arms as a man of integrity who was trying to do something for the Lord. In fact, I even put him on the steering committee of the citywide Charismatic Pastors Fellowship, which is hosted by our church. 
When people came to us who were upset with Mike, his methods of operation, and the prophecies, our attitude was, “Who in the ministry doesn’t make mistakes?” Mike had our support and best wishes. It was hoped that these were simply growing pains which would take care of themselves in time. However, in the last few years the situation really became serious, as it included accounts of wounded people, unethical practices, false prophecies, and damaged churches. Families reported how their lives had been tragically affected by their association with Kansas City Fellowship. The conviction grew in my spirit that something was very wrong. 
Finally, the Lord Jesus Christ laid it firmly on my heart that something had to be done. I decided to obey Matthew 18. I met with Mike privately, and then met twice with Mike and members of his leadership group. These efforts proved fruitless. During the meetings, aspects of Mike’s character which were extremely troubling came out. Mike Bickle delivered ominous spiritual warnings threatening me with harm. Our concerns were deepened rather than alleviated. Outer “lip service” reassurances by Mike never generated any real change of heart or practice. 

On Saturday, January 20, while praying at the church, God told that if I didn’t preach the message “Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?”, I would be disobedient to Him. I had no choice but speak out publicly to warn the body of Christ. It wasn’t something I wanted to do, but God was directing me to take a stand for the sake of His people. As I was praying with my wife, Dee, on the Monday morning after I preached that sermon, she referred to a scripture in Acts 18 which God had given us years ago when we first received the baptism of the Holy Spirit The Lord impressed me to look it up and read it. The scripture reads as follows: “…‘Do not be afraid any longer, but go on speaking and do not be silent; for I am with you, and no man will attack you in order to harm you, for I have many people in this city.’” Acts 18:9—10 (NASV) 

I had been afraid because Mike Bickle implied my death if I took a stand against his teaching, but now the Lord was clearly speaking to me that I ought not be silent; that He would be with me; that no harm would come to me; and that I had to keep speaking because of the people in this city. Mike has sought to portray our concerns as a “personality conflict,” a problem of “misunderstanding and lack of communication,” and even insecurity or jealousy on my part. I want to assure you that I did not place 34 years of fruitful ministry and my national credibility on the line for any of these trivial reasons. The deep conviction of my heart is that we have, in Kansas City, the beginnings of a Charismatic heresy which is far more significant than the shepherding controversy. I believe that this could split the body of Christ and cause untold damage to tens of thousands of Christians, as well as hundreds of churches across America.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  

3. We all have a problem when Mike Bickle promotes an “elected seed generation” theology for his “Movement” that is so wild and so preposterous that it could only have come out of visions from his “prophets.” For example:  a. Their literal children, those born since 1973, are the “elected seed,” hand-selected by Jesus and the angels from “billions of little round yellow things” up in heaven to be born into the families of the “Movement.” The “little yellow things” are seeds from actual bloodlines, and they are the “best of every bloodline that’s ever been–Paul, David, Peter, James and John–the best of their seed unto this generation,” predestined and hand-picked to be part of the “end-time Omega generation.” 
They are described as the “chosen generation of all history” who will “possess the Spirit without measure.” This specific generation is the “bride of Christ…the man-child of Revelation 12…the ministry of perfection…the Melchizedek priesthood…the manifested sons of God–Romans 8:19-23…the 144,000 servants–Revelation 7:4…Joel’s army,” etc.

b. This “end-time, Omega generation superchurch” will do “10,000 times the miracles in the book of Acts.” They will conduct meetings of “a million or more” where they “will move their hands and the power of God will go like flashes of lightning, and as they go like this over a million people, if a person is missing an arm…it will instantly be created…” They will “walk through walls…they’ll be translated…hundreds of dead will be raised during meetings in ballpark stadiums…over a billion saved…eyes put back in eye sockets…‘invincible–can’t die,” etc.

c. Three hundred thousand of Mike’s generation and their superchildren will be last-days apostles. Thirty-five of KCF’s apostles will be “like unto Paul.” There is an invalid sort of circular reasoning taking place here, with the “prophets” reaffirming one another’s visions and confirming one another’s prophecies. The “prophets” are used to establish “divine credibility” for the “Movement,” for this dangerous theology, and for the very visions that they themselves claim to have had. (See Section II)                                                                                                                                                                                                                         

 4. We all have a problem when Mike Bickle actively seeks the favor and support of Charismatic pastors and leaders, both locally and across the nation, while privately teaching his people that… “...The Ishmael spirit includes most of the Charismatic churches today. There are two movements, and I believe with all my heart the Charismatic movement is the Ishmael movement… “We’re looking for a whole new order…I don’t want prominence in Ishmael’s camp. I don’t want to be a part of it at all…we want to come out of the old order, because it’s unbroken…untrained…humanistic…manmade, self-centered… illegitimate…afflicted with evil spirits…“ This is deceptive, unscriptural, and hypocritical. Our assessment is that Mike is seeking to gather as large a following as possible unto himself before making his break from the “old order.”     http://www.banner.org.uk/kcp/Abberent%20Practises.pdf

2. THERE IS A STRONG EXPRASIS ON SACRIFICE FOR THEIR “MOVENENT” AND WAITING FAITHFULLY FOR THE FUTURE FULFILLMENT OF THEIR VISION. MB: “…This is the verse that he gave us three years ago. This is the verse that we said that we would never ever have to, or want to have to claim our weakness like this again, but I find that after three years, it’s the same verse the Lord speaks to us. “I Corinthians 15:43–it’s speaking of the resurrected body, but I’m speaking of our sacrifice of our waiting before the Lord. It spoke of the 21 days; it’s spoken of the last 21 months of the commitment that we made; it’s spoke of the last 9 months since the time that we gathered in September, and it’s spoken of the whole 3 years. It was sown in dishonor, but it will be raised in glory; it was sown in weakness, but it will be raised by God’s mercy and power..Our whole future is this verse.”(P.His 3, p. 11)                                           EDITOR’S NOTE: This is a clear example of an irreverent distortion of Scripture in order to promote their cause.                    

MB: “…because He wants us to sacrifice for it. And if we don’t believe it, we won’t bear the sacrifice in these days for it, if it’s just a little thing. He says, ‘You believe it, because I’ve proved it to you. Now you give your life wholly onto this cause. And you bear patiently and in humility while I perfect the people.’ (P.His 1, p. 7) 
“Why did God give us these signs?. So that we could tell good stories? He wanted us to believe so that we did not waver under the pressure of sacrifice and patience and humility–that the sacrifice is worth it–that patience is worth it. Bowing down is worth it, because it’s the move of the living God in the earth! (P.His 2, p. 2) “But from, even from the heart he would be committed. A lifelong commitment that would involve a daily walking out from the majority of the people on that team. And we’re going to be doing this the rest of our lives, while I maintaining a permanent covenant relationship and an involvement with the ones that we’ve already established.”  (NE, p. 20) A quote from a testimony letter states the following: “‘You just give of yourself totally and unselfishly–even at the expense of your job,’ I heard once, ‘if that seems to be what God is saying to us.’”                                                                                                                                                          

3 THEIR EMPHASIS ON CONTINUALLY SEEKING A “HIGHER ORDER” CAUSES HYPERSPIRITUALITY AND HYPERACTIVITY.          “Attendance at these meetings was important and seriously looked at to evaluate your commitment and leadership potential.” (Testimony Letter 2) MB: “..l982, when all this happened, we began the prayer meetings, 7-10, seven nights a week. Meeting from 7-10… (OPH, p. 6) “…that was a supernatural calling, that we’d gather the people together for a solemn assembly. And a number of people met for 18 hours a day–committed themselves… (OPH, p. 8) “We probably did that for 18 months and then, as you well know, in October 1984, we took off Sunday nights and began to meet three times a day, and in the end we’ll be meeting 24 hours a day in prayer. He said literally this work will be built on night and day prayer, literally, not figuratively–not kind of praying as you’re driving–literal night, and day intercession will go forth from His people, and that is a requirement from God if this thing is to touch the ends of the earth. (P.His 1, p. 13) “…And it literally happened. And He told me that ah, ah apostles would come forth from this movement. And it would be a holy thing that He was goin’ to do. And I don’t know when or how or anything, but, ah, that’s a very, very wonderful thing for God to tell men supernaturally like that. If that doesn’t cause us to have perseverance in intercession, I don’t know what will.                                                                                                                                                                                         

6. IMPLIED OR STATED SPIRITUAL THREATS ARE UTTERED BY THOSE IN THEIR “MOVEMENT,” AND THERE ARE TESTIMONIES OF FEAR IN PEOPLE AS A RESULT.                                                                                                                                      a. “1000 Religious Leaders to Die in 1990” BJ: “They were 1000 of the religious leaders that have (been) doing this, that was appointed to death–they’1l die this next year. So there’s some death that those that’s been using the anointing of God wrong. (F89, p. 13) “But many of those who have been appointed, even for destruction, they are still brothers.(F89, p. 20) “Well, you’re coming into a year that a lot of religious system and a lot of people that are using the anointing wrong, and it’s simply time for them to go home–will go home, because they’re withstanding the Holy Spirit and when they’re withstanding the Holy Spirit, that’s a dangerous thing now, for the Lord is moving and a lot of the religious system will be taken out of the way. That’s not our business at all…” (F89, p. 27) 
b. Letter from a local pastor: “A prophecy from one man was given to the elders of Second Creek with the full, blessing of Mike. It was a strong prophecy of judgment and that of people dying. It just so happened one elder was already terminally ill with cancer.” (Testimony Letter 24)  c. Testimony from a former KCF member: “We were warned by friends fairly high in the KCF ‘hierarchy’ that because we had had visible roles in the fellowship, that spiritually we would be ‘attacked’ and that we should pray for God’s protection over ourselves, our children, and our home. “There are other instances during the time we attended KCF that we felt ‘threatened’ as well, but listing these are burdensome and probably of no value.” (Testimony Letter 37)
d. As Pastor Gruen related in his message, “Do We Keep Smiling and Say Nothing?”, he met with Mike and his leadership in an attempt to correct growing problems. Mike made a spiritual threat at that time, warning of harm to Pastor Gruen. EG: “It was a terrible meeting. In alluding to the Horsecreek thing, where I sat him down, he said to my face. ‘You touched me illegally and people who touch me illegally, bad things happen to them.’”
e. Testimony from a former OCF member: “We left  the church because (one of the reasons) of a sermon by (a pastor at OCF) which warned against speaking out against the prophetic. Words like ‘judgment’ and warnings against ‘having a Jezebel spirit’ kept a lot of people from saying anything negative about the prophetic ministry.”

(Testimony Letter 13) “Kansas City Fellowship taught that eventually all churches would unite with Kansas City Fellowship to form a city church. Unity was encouraged at all costs, and any word of disharmony was viewed as demonic.”                                                                                                                                     

After having come out of a denominational church, one of the things that was so exciting to us at Olathe Fellowship was that everyone brought their Bibles, the Word was taught (I even took notes!), and people were frequently saved. All of that virtually stopped after Kansas City Fellowship took over. Our ‘sermons’ became pep talks about how we were God’s chosen people and how we would take over and rule the world. There was never a salvation message, never an altar call.” (Testimony Letter 6)                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

9. JESUS APPEARS WITH SOMEONE ELSE’S FACE. This is a particularly bizarre, irreverent idea professed by Bob Jones and given credibility by Mike Bickle. MB: “…And Bob’s shakin’ his head and he goes, ‘You guys are never going to learn the language of the Spirit, are you? Never going to learn.’ He goes, ‘Jesus appears in thousands of different faces to portray something. He was trying to say, “I’m your friend; I am your familiar friend and I’m going to show you all things so you can move in the power of the Spirit.”’” (F88, p. 60) See Dominus Vision, Section II, C, and Section III, B. 
Jesus, in Matthew 16:11, warns His disciples to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees”–in reference to “the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Though these teachings do not represent all of KCF’s beliefs, we believe this “Movement” is leavened throughout with false teaching. There is always a higher standard, higher order, more supernatural experiences to be obtained, a greater generation of people to come, a better church structure that must be reached, and future prophecies to fulfill. This is a great error that continually burdens and condemns. It is an extreme that goes way beyond Scripture and is mancentered, not Christ-centered. Their stand and their “Movement” is greatly inflated by their imaginary supposed supernatural experiences. Surely Colossians 2:18 – 19 applies: “Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God. (NASV)                                                                                                                                                                                

7. SHOCKING ACCOUNT OF ABNORMAL PREGNANCY “There were also times when the prophets were hauled in to prophesy over the masses. One particular friend of mine was prophesied to that she was going to have another child. It turned out that she actually was pregnant and didn’t know it. The strange part was that the pregnancy was not normal in any way. She had all kinds of strange problems, slow growth, abnormal bleeding, etc., and in the end she ended up having a D & C. The results of that were really strange–there was no baby per se, just a blob of hair, nail tissue and other atypical tissue for a pregnancy.” (Testimony Letter 18)                                                                                                                                                               

E. EXAMPLES OF THE ABUSES OF PROPHECY: 1. LETTER FROM THE ELDERSHIP OF A LOCAL CHURCH “We thought you might be interested in knowing that On June 22, 1986, three prophets from Kansas City Fellowship were invited to our church. Among other things, they each prophesied that the Lord had told them that our church was to disband, that we had no right to challenge the prophecy, and that if we failed to heed the prophecy, ‘Ichabod’ (the glory has departed) would be written above our door! As a result of the prophecy many people left our church. Those of us who doubted the prophecy prayed and sought the Lord’s will about what we should do. We believe that the Lord wanted us to stay and form a new fellowship, which we did.” (Testimony Letter 16) 

2. WITCHCRAFT, SPELLS, CURSES, AND PARANOIA “Another prophecy that really disturbed me was when John Paul came to Olathe and said that witchcraft was invading the church. He said that as a Christian you could have spells put on you by people you didn’t even know while you stood in line at the grocery store. “He also said that curses passed from generation to generation could control your life. From that point on, a ‘spiritual paranoia’ seemed to rest on the church.” (Testimony Letter 13) 
3. JOHN PAUL JACKSON TOLD CHURCHES TO COME UNDER MIKE BICKLE’S ANOINTING. “John Paul came and prophesied… ‘CCF will collapse unless it comes under Mike’s anointing.’ Two things bother me: We have done fine for four years; there should be nothing to fear…‘Mike’s anointing’–I want Jesus’ anointing.” (Testimony Letter 14) 
4. “GOD HAS MARTYRED YOUR BABY” “The wife of the worship leader of all KCF churches comes to practice telling us that she has lost her baby (she was only 3 or 4 months along)–that she was bleeding heavily, so they called Bob Jones and John Paul over to pray for her. Bob Jones prophesied that God has martyred her baby and that for every drop of blood the baby lost, a soul will be saved in Wichita.” (Testimony Letter 14)  5. SHEPHERDING “Kansas City Fellowship showed signs of being under shepherding. Their prophets were confusing them in their decision making. They were in love with people that weren’t quite as spiritual as these counselors thought they should be, and were getting advice that they shouldn’t marry. I observed crying and much confusion. They didn’t seem to know which way to turn. There were three couples, all about the same age, in their middle twenties. Two of them have married now and the other couple is still in confusion.” (Testimony Letter 10)

July 9: “A Statement from Derek Prince” is released due to persistent questions posed to him regarding KCF.  Prince is very critical.  He recounts a conversation that he had with Mike Bickle in March of 1990 which is followed by his scathing assessment of KCF/GM:

…At this time I was asked by Mike Bickle to counsel with him and some of his leaders.  I spent nearly three hours in discussion with them.  I told them that I felt they were receiving and propagating error.  Our meeting was conducted in a friendly spirit and ended with prayer, but no conclusion was reached.

Subsequent to this encounter, I studied [the Gruen Document]…It is based mainly on material published by Grace Ministries, or on transcripts of tapes made in Kansas City Fellowship which they themselves circulated.

Very briefly, I can sum up the main conclusions I have reached:

  1.  The material circulated by Kansas City Fellowship contains many statements which have no basis in Scripture and are frequently contrary to Scripture.  Some of the purported “revelations” could be described as absurd and even blasphemous.
  2.  Much of the material is permeated by what I consider to be occult influence.
  3.  The overall affect of the material is to divert attention away from Jesus Christ and the Scriptures and toward subjective experiences and human personalities.
  4.  The circulation of the material from Kansas City Fellowship has exposed the Body of Christ to much error and confusion.
  5.  These errors are deep-rooted and longstanding, dating at least as far back as 1983.

Any effective remedy would require open confession and renunciation of the errors practiced and a radical elimination of the occult element.  All this should be communicated as widely as the errors have been circulated.  A mere change of label or of leadership, by itself, is not sufficient.54

Prince goes on to stress that it’s the “doctrines and practices” and not the individuals he is judging.  He continues:

…We are living in a period when it is more important than ever for all of us to cultivate “the love of the truth.” (See 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12.)55

Yes, Derek Prince was part of the “shepherding” controversy; however, his words and advice here are spot on!

The apostate road is wide that leads to destruction! My spirit is crying out with the Spirit of God, ‘He who has ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the Churches.”

The Evangelical Loss Of Biblical Discernment

I have pondered for some time now, after much research and re-evaluation, why there is such a shocking lack of discernment in evangelicalism today. I’m beginning to see why!                                                                                                                                                     

Have Christian lost the art of Biblical discernment?        Posted by churchwatcher in Uncategorized

“Another on-point article by fellow polemicist and good friend Marsha West:

The tragedy that evangelicals have lost the art of biblical discernment must be traced to a disastrous loss of biblical knowledge. Discernment cannot survive without doctrine.”  Dr. Albert Mohler

What exactly is discernment? It means “to distinguish, to separate out by diligent search, to examine.”

Christians who are spiritually discerning are able to properly distinguish between true and false teaching. Those with discernment have wisdom.

blogger and author Tim Challies.  Speaking on discernment in How can I increase my spiritual discernment?” he wrote:

“Some have mistakenly defined spiritual discernment as a God-given awareness of evil or good spiritual presences—the ability to tell if a demon is in the room. While some people may possess this capability, it is not the biblical meaning of discernment. Spiritual discernment ultimately has to do with wisdom and the ability to distinguish truth from error.”
Far too many Christians rely on the discernment of other believers. …Regrettably, when it comes to testing for errors, a growing number of professing Christians deserve a failing grade.

Because so many people spend a huge amount of time on one form of technology or another, it’s easy to see why the views so many evangelicals hold are derived from TV preachers, radio/podcast personalities, best-selling books, popular bloggers and even social media. Many individuals who claim to be evangelicals search religious TV networks such as TBN, Daystar and God TV looking for a spiritual fix.  Unbeknownst to them, they’re exposed to rank heresy. 

Sadly, many professing Christians prefer to hold onto their conspiracy theories, unbiblical philosophies and their distorted view of Scripture than spend time studying the Bible, in context.  As the saying goes: Context, context, context!  Why?  For the reason that taking a verse out of its proper context leads to error.

The goal for every Christian is to eliminate aberrant and heretical teaching and all that this includes from Christ’s church. The only way for this to happen is for each of us to become a Berean….those who love the Lord Jesus must “contend [fight in its defense] for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” (Jude 1:3)

“The tragedy that evangelicals have lost the art of biblical discernment must be traced to a disastrous loss of biblical knowledge. Discernment cannot survive without doctrine.”Dr. Albert Mohler

Source: Marsha West, Berean Research, http://bereanresearch.org/christians-lost-art-biblical-discernment/ (Published 23/01/2017 Accessed 24/01/2017

More Answers To Whys?

Others have also stated that there is less and less grounding, theologically, and some have observed and pointed out the new age agenda to shift the focus of the church from doctrine to mysticism. This is clearly seen in ‘contemplative prayer,’ and an unbalanced focus on experience, manifestation, spiritual  encounters, prophecy, to the detriment of diligent Bible study, and sound exegetical teaching etc., the Word of God becoming secondary to these other things. 

2 Thess. 2:9-12 give some clues as to this loss of discernment as well:”The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 

A lack of concern for truth, and value and honour for the Word of God, as our source of truth, has positioned people to believe a lie and become subject to strong delusion, not believing the truth, but rather taking pleasure in unrighteousness. Compromising the truths of Scripture for ‘political correctness,’ and acceptability, embracing compromising liberal views, hardness of heart, thro’ moral compromise, thro’ dishonouring the Scriptures, these things have ‘dumbed down’ Christian discernment, which remember, is primarily discerning truth from error. 

Another thing I’ve noticed, is a subtle and not so subtle shifting into philosophical rationalism (some have stated sub-rational, and I would add unbiblical) and ideological views that are put forth as Biblical truth, that sound wonderfully wise, to many listeners, but is not compared with Scripture, esp. amongst those with an unhealthy enamoring of leadership or their agendas or ‘hobby horses.’ (their personal all important revelations) 

The current assault on the validity, authenticity and trustworthiness of the Scriptures, has caused a spiritual blind, deaf, and dumbness to come upon the Body of Christ where the Scriptures are not held fast to, and honoured as the Word of God, that they truly are, but rather, ‘higher criticism’ and Scripture denying rational thinking is exalted. God takes this afront very seriously! Some one said, when error is defended, the door is opened wide for deception. “He who has once begun to deceive others, is the less easily able to recover himself from error, and the more easily embraces in turn the errors of others.” – Johann Albrecht Bengel. There is a downward spiral that takes place, once the entertaining of error begins.

Any view of Scripture or hermeneutical application that undermines or denies the inspired, inerrancy and general literal intent of Scripture, or orthodox hermeneutics, jeopardizes the ability to discern truth from error.

When God is not treated as holy, deception crouches at the door. The pride of man, God resists, hindering His grace!  Lack of intimacy with the Lord, worldliness, disobedience, cares and concerns of the world (life), spiritual laziness, any thing less than constant surrender to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, will dumb down the spiritual senses, ‘the traditions of men,’ (religious views), ‘make the Word of God of no effect, ‘ disabling discernment. 

Even things that may be good, even of God, (at least at one point), but made more important that one’s relationship with God,  more important than specific obedience, exalted to a wrong place of prominence, can cause loss of discernment, wrong focus on any thing, even imbalanced focus/application on certain Biblical truths. Personal agendas, disobedience to the revealed will of God, or clear Scriptural mandate and truths, “deceitfully handling the Word of Truth, twisting and distorting the Scriptures, will all begin to dismantle and demolish discernment.  2 Cor.4:2;  2 Peter 3:16

“But we have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.” 2 Cor.4:2
“There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” 2 Peter 3:16 

Shirking the dealings of God, His testings, His correction, His purifying, His character building, all of these will hinder the ability to accurately discern truth from error. The safest place to be is on our faces before God, humbly bowing before Him in holy, reverential fear. 

Listen to this urgent admonition: “Today sin is tolerated and rarely mentioned in churches. Many pastors know the sin is taking place…but they do not address this issue lest the pews would be empty. The Charismatic movement has bro’t back the power of the Holy Spirit, but in most cases, their emphasis is on His power, His manifestations, His gifts, and the awesome promises of God. It is very rare among Charismatic Christians that they would be well founded on the Word of God, and therefore, they do not follow Jesus on a daily basis. If they studied the Word of God and practiced the Truth contained in it, they would know that the Holy Spirit is coming for our sanctification, to set us apart for God and to follow our calling…They do not know that the power of the believer is in proportion with his/her sanctification and his/her obedience to the commands of God. Their loyalty is to their community rather than to the Lord.

Syncretism

“…satan disguises himself as an angel of light… to make sure that deception is accepted as coming from God…a deception of mixing what comes from the Word of God with demonic lies…Syncretism is when we think that we worship Jesus, yet give other created beings, or creatures, or man made objects, or traditions, a place of worhsip to be shared with Jesus. He is the King of kings or He is not Jesus. He cannot share the worship with the systems of this world.” Magda Manoli ‘My Treasured Possessions’ thelastharvestministries.org

Mixture is becoming a big problem in the Church. Syncretism is happening in so many ways, on so many levels! This is stealing the discernment from the Church as well, which is allowing syncretism to continue, unabated, undetected, leading many into apostasy! Over and over I’ve been seeing warnings from others, that the Church is losing it’s Biblical roots!

How Could This Happen?

How could a ministry that seems to have it all together, the zeal for God, for His Kingdom, solid teaching, revelation truth, manifested presence of God, strong prophetic ministry, humble, God honouring leadership, how could they begin to lose discernment?

I believe something from the input above, will have begun to creep in. Ongoing, honest, sincere, accountable, transparent evaluation, mutual submission of plurality of leadership, personal on going transparent evaluation before God, constant, pure devoted surrender to the Lord, seeking His correction, His will, His ways, His wisdom, continual, humble dependence upon God, continual commitment of obedience to God’s revealed will, to His Word, honouring the Scriptures, holding fast to them, in all sincerity, desiring the truth, teachable, willing to acknowledge wrong, error; these will help keep us, a ministry, a church, positioned to continue walking in wisdom and discernment, knowing, recognizing, distinguishing truth from error.

If our love for the truth is greater than being right, greater than continuing to just do things the way we want, greater than our current agenda, or vision, or dream, greater than our latest ‘revelation,’ our ‘pet doctrine,’ greater than our current, treasured ‘spiritual possessions,’ if our love for the truth is greater than every thing we possess, greater than every thing we have known up until the present moment, then we are in a position to continue walking in wisdom and discernment. I believe it only happens this way.

We must be willing to continue to die to what we have gained, in order to continue to possess what is yet to come, otherwise what we have gained can become the very thing that begins to hinder and dismantle our wisdom and discernment!

“He leads the humble in what is right, and teaches the humble His way.” Ps.25:9  “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight.” Prov.9:10

The Prophetic Mine Field

The Prophetic Mine Field
Lest any think they are exempt, dwelling on higher ground, I must proceed to expose this mine field of apostate traps even further.                         

Let’s start here: (bear with me, to see how apostasy can come in.)!

https://www.facebook.com/JeremiahJohnson.tv/posts/2225634364390590?
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THE DANGER IN PROPHETIC AND SUPERNATURAL EVANGELISM

“For many years, I was personally involved with numerous prophetic/supernatural schools and churches from around the USA who would weekly go out to do prophetic and supernatural evangelism in different cities and regions. I can honestly say that the first 10 years were incredible and nothing less than exhilarating. I was dedicated! Watching people encounter the love of God for the very first time is amazing. We saw too many physical healings, demons being cast out, and powerful words of knowledge go forth to count. From setting up “free spiritual reading” tents to simply handing out bottles of water and asking people if we could pray with them to try to lure them in for a supernatural encounter with God, I have both experienced, led many teams, and seen a lot!

However, at about the ten year mark of walking in this realm on a consistent basis, I believe God began to open up my eyes to great danger concerning what I was doing and I still consistently see and hear what I am about to share across the country today. IT DEEPLY BREAKS MY HEART! My hope in sharing what was revealed to me is to help those going out to do supernatural evangelism and even those teaching it to make some course adjustments and seek the Lord personally on these matters. Again, this post is to better equip those going out to do supernatural and prophetic evangelism, not discourage them from going out!

Here are 4 areas of danger that were revealed to me by the Holy Spirit  concerning what I was doing and teaching in supernatural/prophetic evangelism.

1. THE GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

As I took a hard look at the role of the gifts of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, I was shocked at what I found. The gifts of the Holy Spirit were only used for two purposes; one was in a community and relational context among saints to promote unity and help them draw near to the presence of God and the second was in an evangelistic setting to draw saints INTO community. In other words, to demonstrate the gifts of the Holy Spirit on the streets without intending to bring people into community and relationship with the body of Christ is unbiblical and can be misleading…it is dangerous to demonstrate the supernatural to the world without clearly trying to draw them into a community setting where relationship and unity can be formed.  

2. HEALING AND PROPHETIC SHOWMANSHIP

I cannot count on how many occasions I have seen people healed and prophetic words given without a presentation of the gospel that includes asking people to repent of their sins. I have personally (which I have now repented of) and also taken teams all over the USA where we laid hands on the sick and crippled, saw them healed as we talked to them about the love of God and the work of the Cross, but yet never told them that they had to repent of their sins and live a consecrated life unto the Lord. It’s almost like we developed a culture where people were addicted to prophesying and healing the sick and “demonstrating the love of God”, but got more of a kick out of watching people encounter God rather than lead them to Christ.”(If we are not presenting the gospel to people, our ‘presentation of God’ is a false gospel, and they cannot be saved, thus we are deceiving them into thinking they are, leaving them in their lost state, and even worse, being deluded into thinking they are right with God. We are actually practicing apostasy, violating a fundamental truth of salvation!)
Healing’s and prophecies and the love of God without a mention of holiness, righteous living, or the need to repent of sins produces people who are seeking an outward touch, but reject inward transformation. They want goosebumps and stimulation, but run from trials and testing. If you are praying for healing and prophesy to people, but yet not preaching the gospel by telling them that they must die to their flesh and pick up their cross and follow Jesus, I ask you to repent and turn from this deception.


3. WORSHIPING MIRACLES OR THE GOD OF MIRACLES?

Another area of deception that God showed me I was walking in was my obsession with the miraculous outside of a true obsession of Jesus Christ. I found myself more eager to pray and release miracles than I was to pray to the God of miracles. I began to point people more to miracle power than the God of miracle power. Even in my language and speech, I had little to no revelation of the person of God, yet I had no problem “demonstrating” His works.

It all culminated for me when I went to sleep one night and was taken to hell by the Holy Spirit. There He showed me not only miracle workers who went to hell because they never knew the Lord, but he showed me thousands of people who had received his miracle working power when they lived, but yet had never truly given their heart and life to Him. If you are addicted to miracles and the prophetic and do not possess a true obsession with Jesus Christ, I ask you to repent and turn from this deception.

4. PROPHETIC ACTIVATION AND IMPARTATION

Probably the strongest area of deception that I walked in was the zeal to activate and impart to people the prophetic anointing without spending any time teaching them about the character and nature of God or the need for their own character transformation. I was or they were so eager to lay hands or have hands layed on them to show them how to do the “stuff” that holding their feet to the fire regarding their own sin and lack of revelation of who God is was never addressed.

I realized over the years that I was actually launching collateral damage rather than releasing assets to the world. Many of these people “walked in the supernatural” for a season, but ended up embracing loose living and no longer even serve the Lord. They were totally unprepared for real life situations where trial and testing simply do not go away with one prayer. If you are training and activating students into the prophetic and supernatural without preaching holiness and living righteously before the Lord, I ask you to repent and turn from this deception.

I have repented and will continue to repent of those years of walking in the deception that plagues so much of the “supernatural evangelism” that we witness today. 

More quasi-‘prophetic evangelism!’ -(Apostate-new age – enters here!) 

https://churchwatchcentral.com/2017/12/23/jen-hodge-trained-in-using-divine-energy-in-touch-with-her-inner-gypsy-in-the-hands-of-the-spirits/

Jen Hodge – trained in ‘using divine energy’, in touch with her ‘inner gypsy’ & ‘in the hands of the spirits’?

BY CHURCHWATCHER on DECEMBER 23, 2017 • ( 1 )
​”In our research, we’ve discovered the Hodge’s Christalignment offer a whole range of New Age and occultic services to people ranging from:

  1. ‘Prophetic henna tattoos’ 2. Presence therapy 3.Divine healing’ 4.‘Voyage towards light/guided meditation’ 5.Third heaven encounters’ 6.‘Energy impartation’ 7.Psalm cleansing 8.Dream interpretation (using ancient Hebraic methods) 9.Spiritual blessing 10.Spirit dance and trance dance sessions 11.Animal/dream quest cards 12.Cleansing encounters 13.Healing tents (or Presence Tent) 14.Spiritual alignment                                                                                                                                                                                                                              They also have no problem celebrating the Hindu Diwali festival, an event linked to the celebration of Lakshmi, (a deity worshiped amongst Hindus as the goddess of wealth and prosperity; wife of Lord Vishnu).  Don’t take our word for it. Christalignment advertise these things they do around the web.                                    But where do they get the power to do these things? Here is how they advertise themselves.:                                                                                                                               “The Christalignment team practice a form of supernatural healing that flows from the universal presence of the Christ.                                                                                                                                                                                          Christalignment teams are trained in Presence Therapy, Spiritual readings and cleansing, physical healing using divine energy, dream interpretation using the Hebraic method and deep spiritual alignment – recovery from trauma & relationship wounds.”                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Source: Christalignment, Dandenong Market, http://dandenongmarket.com.au/stallholders/christalignment,                  Accessed Dec 22 2017. (Emphasis added.) [Archive]                                                                                                                                                                                   The universal presence of the Christ? Divine energy? We start to get a fairly accurate idea where Jen Hodge gets her ‘powers’ and ‘divine energy’ from, when you read her bio on this site (emphasis ours):                                                                                                                                                                                                              “Being at the market you can’t be too precious about the location of your stand so you have to be in touch with your inner gypsy and go with the flow. So far I’ve been at this particular stall for the past 38 weeks but no-one knows when and where you’ll be moved to next: it’s in the hands of the spirits – oh, and Centre Management!”                                                                                                                            What Christian in their right mind would say such a thing unless… perhaps she’s telling her ‘truth’ for once?”                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

Have I got your attention yet?

PERSONAL TESTIMONY AND DOCUMENTATION OF CHRISTALIGNMENT OCCULTISM

Further proof of their occultist practices comes from those who were directly involved in Jen and Ken’s ‘coven’:

“I was part of this for an afternoon. They charge to cover site costs/expenses. First the do the love language reading then you hold hands and pray (kinda) for them. No mention of JESUS or God or sins though. You ask the creator from the highest heaven the third heaven to help them and so forth. Then they give them a flyer. I’ll post below.

I do love a lot of these people and know their heart in this. They want to win over the new agers to to Christ. But not freak em or scare em off at first. I know myself now the deception they are under.” – Dec 11 /2017
 https://churchwatchcentral.com/2017/12/22/bethel-endorsing-occultists-in-sheeps-clothing-insight-given-by-an-insider-fromchristalignment/
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Prophetic Dream: Fish, Fruit and Wayward ApostlesBy John Burton | April 23, 2019

Self-absorbed apostles are compromising the government of the church.

Last night I had a dream.

I’ll begin by clearly affirming the value of apostles, prophets, pastors and the entire five-fold ministry, not to mention every person who functions in any capacity God has assigned them to. In fact, this is all the more reason the dream I had is significant. God’s ordained leaders in the church must align themselves with God’s order and character more intentionally and soberly in these last days. We need anointed, surrendered, humble and powerful church leaders in position and ready to serve.

49  Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ Luke 11:49 (ESV)

THE DREAM

I found myself among many other Christians, leaders and people who were serving at a special church meeting. Specifically, this event was a gathering of apostles. It’s important to understand that all of these people were clearly called of God. They were reputable, legitimate and most of us would agree that they are great, godly leaders. Unfortunately, after beginning their ministry years prior humble and pure, somewhere along their journey, they veered off course.

As I watched the interactions between the apostles, it was evident they were exhibiting some concerning characteristics as well. While they were connecting and enjoying conversation with others in the room, it was easy to discern they were focused primarily on promoting their viewpoints and agendas, eager to be recognized as special. They were obsessed with their rank.

Additionally, these convening apostles were entirely dismissive of the others who were not, as some would say, at their level. The individuals at this event who were not apostles at all were looked down on as inferior. Other apostles who didn’t rise up with strong, charismatic personalities were ignored. Their focus was on mingling only with those leaders they felt could offer them something, or who they could target as an opponent to be analyzed and defeated. While they might seek to align with others who might have something to offer them, their end game was to dominate, gain influence and out play the other apostles.

Then, as dreams often go, there was an interesting twist. The focus of the event turned toward four young, star quarterbacks who were moving up the ranks from college to pro. These were sharp, impressive young men who were rightfully invited to this special meeting. Predictably, the apostles ignored these emerging team leaders as insignificant, though, in reality, they were resisting them as a threat. It was clear these young men were validated and positioned among the next generation of leaders. The quarterbacks were all skilled yet humble, excited to learn from the apostles, yet they were not well received. Not at all.

I then went to a store looking for a football to buy so I could play catch with them. My intent was to connect with the young quarterbacks and to encourage them. However, I could only find a small, junior sized football. I knew they had been promoted well beyond that level, and I didn’t want to risk offending them by communicating that they were amateurs.The dream shifted once more. As I continued to survey everything that was happening at that gathering of apostles and the young, emerging quarterbacks, I was fully unmotivated to join in the fray. I had no desire to play politics or to jocky for position. Instead, I stepped outside and dove into the ocean. I swam away from the shore and then deep under the water. I saw and then caught a beautiful, massive, shiny silver fish. It shined like a chrome bumper on an old, restored car from yesteryear. After wrangling the fish to the beach, I brought it inside, but none of the apostles were interested. I was surprised that such an brilliant fish provoked nobody’s attention. I broke open the fish and there was absolutely nothing inside except for, remarkably, some incredibly delicious fruit. It tasted and looked very much like an orange. I pulled apart the fruit and ate it. It was amazing. Still, nobody cared, even though a legitimate miracle had occurred before their very eyes. The fruit and the fish wasn’t their focus. Power and position was.

Again, these were all people we’d agree had been reputable leaders. But, as they advanced in ministry, their motives were compromised.

THE INTERPRETATION

Before I reveal what the Lord showed me, I want to take a moment to share something important regarding spiritual dreams.

It’s extremely common for people who study the dreams of God to jump to conclusions about other people’s dreams. I’ve seen this happen multiple times over the years, and while their intention is usually pure, they can bring confusion into the mix by attempting to over-analyze, redefine or incorrectly interpret what has already been revealed.

The person most able to interpret a dream, in most cases, is the one who had the dream. Only they know the tone, the mood, the revelation and just what the Holy Spirit has interpreted for them. While a dream interpreter may be convinced they know the meaning of a horse or rain or sleep or vehicles or any number of other symbols, they need to be careful as not to taint the actual meaning of the dream that is, at times, revealed to only one individual–the dreamer. Often times the dreamer interprets the dream quite differently than even the most seasoned dream interpreter. Of course, there are times the dreamer doesn’t have the interpretation, and they may very well need to consult with others. But, we must use caution. Dreams of God can get confused quite easily.

I believe the meaning of most of my dream is fairly obvious. While some may want to read too much into some of the symbolism, I believe the takeaway is simple.

First, I want to emphasize again that the apostles were truly people of God. They led anointed ministries and had a track record of righteousness. However, something happened along the way that resulted in compromise.

Frankly, there are many Christian leaders who are addicted to ministry because of the supposed fame and adoration it brings.

Too many pastors and ministers are absolutely duped into believing they have arrived and that their “call” to ministry is highly valued by most. The reality? Few care. I’m not saying this to devalue their call. If they are called, they won’t care how valued they are.

However, many who are addicted to ministry are idolizing it, and they can’t imagine life without it. Trust me, if this is you, and if you ever decided to step down from full-time ministry, there wouldn’t be a collective gasp by a stunned and disappointed society. People will go on with their lives. You are valued, but you aren’t that important. None of us are.

What I’m saying is that the collection of pride-driven apostles in the dream was both sad and laughable. There is great value in apostolic ministry, but the value is not in the position, it’s in the function, in the call to humbly serve. The deception in the room was extreme, and the scheming and parading around as if they were royalty was honestly quite embarrassing.

The quarterbacks repesented the next generation of team leaders. Quarterbacks are the defacto leaders of the football team. Their leadership directly determines whether the team advances or not. These emerging leaders did no wrong. They were humble and simply responding to an invitation to the gathering of apostles. They were wronged, however, by a suspicious and threatened apostolic council.

The dream culminated with the fish and the fruit. The clear, obvious truth is that we are called to be fishers of men and to bear fruit. It’s that simple. Instead of diving into the depths of humanity and focusing on shining the light of Jesus in the world, the apostles were climbing over one another. Instead of fishing and bearing fruit, they were seeking power and position.

If this dream spoke to you as a leader, simply repent and allow God to give you a glorious and refreshing reset. You are valuable, you are called and what God has for you to do on the earth is exceptionally critical. In order to fulfill that calling, all pretense, all jealousy, all selfish ambition and all pride must die. You and many others will experience phenomenal abundant life as a result–including the emerging young leaders who are waiting for you to raise them up.

(Tho’ being dreams, these speak for themselves, as to the condition of large segments of the prophetic movement today! )

https://stopihopcult.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/contemplative-prayer/

Mine Fields @ IHOP -Contemplative Prayer Sources

(I’ve covered ‘contemplative prayer’ in a previous blog, clearly showing the eastern mysticism ties and roots.)

“Mike Bickle, director of the International House of Prayer claims that God is restoring contemplative prayer to the church. He goes on to claim that contemplative prayer is a God ordained means of entering into the fullness of God, and that the brightest lights in church history have been Roman Catholic mystics who lived during the dark ages. He went on to say the western church had much to learn from these mystics …

 [ Mike Bickle states]: “Everybody is called to live in the contemplative lifestyle. Everyone! Everyone! Everyone! That’s one of the great strongholds we have to overcome resistance to contemplative prayer.’” “The Protestant wing of the western church, which is a tiny percentage of the Body of Christ…, is nearly completely (98%) unaware that the Holy Spirit is restoring contemplative prayer—center stage—to the church… The Holy Spirit is restoring this precious jewel (contemplative prayer) to the body of Christ. This is the God ordained means of attaining the fullness of God.”

Mike Bickle quotes from the contemplatives (his word for mystics) and announces that he will be teaching from the Sacred Pathways (which promotes the carrying of symbols or icons, choosing a mantra and visualizing God). Each one of these things is contradictory to the Word of God, which forbids imagery and vain repetitions in prayer.

He insists we need to study the lives and writings of the Roman Catholic mystics, and because the bookstore chain of Barnes and Nobles has carried so many books in this regard, he says (in all earnestness) that “B & N is prophesying to the church that we need the mystics,” and he wants to know why the church isn’t picking up on the fact that God is calling the entire Body of Christ to live lifestyles of contemplative prayer?

Mike Bickle says the most inspiring light in all of Christianity came from the Roman Catholic mystics during the dark ages.

 These are all quotes from Bickle on the mystics:

 “mystics is a legitimate term… I don’t want to fight the war…so I’m just saying contemplative prayer, but I mean the mystics—even here at IHOP I say, lets just stay with contemplatives …I don’t have time to argue… so I call them the contemplatives…. I don’t want to go into the semantics, the debates…so, I’m calling it the contemplatives… I don’t have time to argue… but I need the mystics.”

 “They, the mystics, are some of the brightest lights in all of history… there has been the brightest lights in all history for men and women of abandonment in the dark ages… somewhere we have to say the dark ages were the luminaries in the grace of God…they were Catholic priests.”

 “…a study of the lives of the mystics, the contemplatives, through history, and clearly the most inspiring, compelling examples of history, in my world, have come out of the Catholic dark ages. I can’t find anything like it in modern times, in America, in the protestant world.”

 “…we need a little Holy Spirit catalytic jump start. We need to see where a few have gone before us, and say if they did we can, and we can go further… and if you’re going to go deep into that well, I’m sad to say, the vast majority of them are going to have Catholic roots in history.”

 The writings of Father Thomas Keating (the modern day father of contemplative prayer) are also promoted at IHOP. Mike Bickle says he is an example for us of “a way to a deeper life in God. He went on to say, “The protestant world is in great need of examples like these that will beckon us to the fullness of God.” – audio message Contemplative Prayer pt1 by Mike Bickle

 So essentially, Mike Bickle is telling the Body of Christ is that we are woefully deficient in having lost God’s fullness and need to look to New Age Eastern philosophy and to Roman Catholic mystics as examples in how to restore it.

 And his advice to questioning, spiritually languishing, and anguishing souls (who didn’t know their real problem was that they wanted more of God—until he told them so) is this, “Don’t evaluate yourselfdon’t evaluate othersJust keep going after it.” – audio message Contemplative Prayer pt1 by Mike Bickle

 In plain language that means don’t read or listen to anything discerningly or analytically. Don’t question anything or anybody—not even yourself (except evangelicals of course). Just go with what feels right. Book-‘Sacred Pathways’ – used by Mike Bickle However, this same Gary Thomas has written the following on Centering Prayer in his book called “Sacred Pathways” in which he says:
“It is particularly difficult to describe this type of prayer in writing, as it is best taught in person. In general, however, centering prayer works like this: Choose a word (Jesus or Father, for example) as a focus for contemplative prayer. Repeat the word silently in your mind for a set amount of time (say, twenty minutes) until your heart seems to be repeating the word by itself, just as naturally and involuntarily as breathing. As your mind is filled with thoughts of Jesus or the father or another appropriate subject (love, joy, or peace) you are protected from outside distractions.”

So why is Gary Thomas, who likes to call himself a Christian, so supportive of mantras (and therefore tantric yoga)? This is not something any Christian should be having anything to do with! So, let’s look at his “Sacred Marriage” and see if this yogic influence continues there.

Thomas quotes favorably (many times, in fact) an author named Mary Anne McPherson Oliver from her book “Conjugal Spirituality”. Now you’d expect that anyone a Christian author quotes would at least be a good example to his readers. But Oliver is far from that; in fact, she claims to be a Christian but actually teaches what can only be described as tantric yoga (focusing upon yogic sexual practices). In Conjugal Spirituality (remember, this is a significant reference book for Thomas in “Sacred Marriage”) Oliver advocates the use of four-letter words in an exercise developing a private body and sex vocabulary, saying “If you run out of four-letter words in this last exercise, you might seek out some of the foreign terminologies. (That is, foreign four-letter sexual terms.)

I won’t quote significant parts of her work as it is clearly pornographic, Of course, Mary Oliver is not the only one quoted in Sacred Marriage. Thomas also quotes many other questionable sources, such as Friedrich Nietzche (an extremely anti-God person, teaching that God is dead – nihilism). Do some research on him!
https://www.hopperscrossingchristianchurch.com/portfolio-item/gary-thomas-new-age-teacher/

Most of the Christians authors who promote contemplative prayer, with few exceptions, include mantras as does Gary Thomas in his book Sacred Pathways. For the distinction between Christian and eastern contemplatives, none other than Tilden Edwards, the founder of the largest and most influential contemplative school in the U.S., asserts in his book Spiritual Friends: ” that contemplative prayer is the western bridge to far eastern spirituality.” Richard Foster indorses Tilden’s book as an excellent book. (Lighthouse Trails). In Thomas’s book Sacred Parenting, which FOF does directly promote, Thomas leaves no doubt that Teresa of Avila had a major impact on his prayer life. But Teresa of Avila is a classic expression of 14th and 15th century contemplative and she practiced centering prayer. In the website, Centering Prayer, dedicated to promoting centering prayer they assert: ‘Centering Prayer is drawn from ancient prayer practices of the Christian contemplative heritage notably the Fathers and Mothers of the Desert, The Cloud Of Unknowing, St. John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila. It was distilled into a simple method of prayer in the 1970’s by three Trappist monks: Fr. William Meninger, Fr. Basil Pennington and Abbot Thomas Keating at the Trappist Abbey, St. Joseph’s Abbey in Spencer, Mass.” (Centering Prayer Website). These three monks actively relied on visiting Buddhists to coach them. Tim Masters reply seems like a “political response” from FOF relying on a difference that isn’t a difference.

Father Thomas Keating – Promoted by Mike bickle

The Danger of Centering PrayerRev. John D. Dreher 

Centering prayer originated in St. Joseph’s Abbey, a Trappist monastery in Spencer, Massachusetts. During the twenty years (1961-1981) when Keating was abbot, St. Joseph’s held dialogues with Buddhist and Hindu representatives, and a Zen master gave a week-long retreat to the monks. A former Trappist monk who had become a Transcendental Meditation teacher also gave a session to the monks. In the mid-seventies, Trappist Abbot Thomas Keating asked the monks, “‘Could we put the Christian tradition into a form that would be accessible to people … who have been instructed in an Eastern technique and might be inspired to return to their Christian roots if they knew there was something similar in the Christian tradition?“‘ (Intimacy with God, 15). Frs. William Menniger and M. Basil Pennington took up the challenge, and centering prayer is the result. In a few short years it has spread all over the world.

Many people assume centering prayer is compatible with Catholic tradition, but in fact the techniques of centering prayer are neither Christian nor prayer. They are at the level of human faculties and as such are an operation of man, not of God. The deception and dangers can be grave.https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=234https://catholicism.org/fr-thomas-keating-on-npr-heresy-as-mysticism.html

Toward the end, and out of character with the rest of the show, there was an interview with Father Thomas Keating, the 85-year-old Trappist who helped to create “centering prayer.” This is not an exact quote (I’m going from memory — and I was driving at the time), but he clearly said something very close to this: God is so immense that no one religion suffices to explain him. The comment was made in response to the interviewer’s question about whether or not Father Keating’s Christian notion of contemplative prayer is essentially the same as what Buddhists and others do. The response was, not surprisingly, in the affirmative. After all, the Trappist affirmed, it’s the “same God” that we are all trying to get to know by the contemplative experience — the same God, mind you, that Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians, theists and pantheists are all trying to know. Of course, this is rank indifferentism.

Hearing Father Keating’s mystical heresies the day before Christmas made it all the more surreal. Buddhists don’t worship the Trinity, and Hindus don’t believe that God was born in Bethlehem, having become Man in the womb of the Virgin Mary nine months before. Whatever pantheism may claim to offer by way of man becoming “deified,” it differs in kind from the Christian notion of sanctity, even at the merely theoretical level. This is aside from the fact that false religion cannot actually effect the union of God and man. Just as several commentators noted in the earlier segment concerning Einstein’s analogous usage of the word god, we must state that Buddhism and Hinduism do not posit belief in God at all.

Father Keating went on to explain how limited we are in approaching the ineffable mystery of God. Had he left it at that, he would have made a valid point that all sound theology acknowledges. But instead, he left out the inerrancy of Christian revelation, its truth and definitive character, and ended up putting Christianity on the same level with all other efforts to attain to union with the transcendent.

It should come as no surprise to learn that Father Keating participates in “Monastic Interreligious Dialogue,”  an effort that brings together Benedictine and Trappist religious with “contemplative practitioners of diverse religious traditions,” including non-Christian ascetics like the Dalai Lama and various Hindu gurus.

Such a “dialogue” is what brought “centering prayer” into existence in the first place.1

Disturbing Mine Field Manifestations

https://stopihopcult.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/emmas-experience-with-ihop/

Emma’s Experience with IHOP
Posted on September 26, 2012by stopihopcult

Below is a letter I received from a young woman named Emma:

 Dear StopIHOPcult,

 My name is Emma and I want to share my experience at IHOP-KC with you and your blog readers.  I’ve read many of the other stories you’ve shared and I’ve wept because it’s all true and painfully real.  I don’t know whether IHOP is officially a cult but I know that there is witchcraft and demonic activity and things happening that shouldn’t be happening.  I don’t want to speak badly of anyone, especially my brothers and sisters in Christ, but I’ve been exposed to the leaders of IHOP and I can tell you with all honesty that Mike Bickle is not speaking words from God.  

I started going to the summer youth camps at IHOP and then I went to the Forerunner School of Ministry and then I worked in the office for a while.  I have seen things that I should not have seen, things no one should see, things I pray for God to remove from my memory.  Bickle conjures up demons to speak openly and he demonizes people to try to reveal prophetic words that aren’t even true, and never come true.  He sets his sight on the young women mainly, not in a sexual way but in a way that is different then how he treats the males. It’s hard to describe but when you are there you can see the pattern.  The person who told you that Bickle has a sliding door in his office where he can spy on the prayer room isn’t lying or exaggerating.  He watches what goes on and sends messages to the worship team to do certain meditative techniques or call on a certain individual for a prophetic word.  He lays his hands on a person’s head, toward their forehead, and at the touch a demon enters them and they begin to act differently.  Two girls I knew well were called into meetings with Bickle separately and he laid his hands on them and they began acting totally different.  One came out of his office twitching and convulsing and whooping like you see people who have Tourette Syndrome.  The other one started fasting compulsively and didn’t quit until she ended up being hospitalized for dehydration.

 In 3 years of being involved in IHOP I walked away and not one of my friends or leaders encouraged me or helped me or even called to check on me.  The minute I questioned what was happening, I was isolated from everyone.  I was followed around by two people who were assigned to watch me and make sure I didn’t spread my doubt to others.  Bickle called me into his office and he and the FSM leader who is a professed ex-witch, tried to persuade me to stay, telling me that God was “offending my mind to reveal my heart,” just like one of your blogs says, and that he wanted to pray for me and lay his hands on me to penetrate the demonic forces attacking me.  I knew right away that if I let him touch me, he would somehow increase the demons.  I left and I never went back.

 Everything you’ve posted is true.  They teach the Latter Rain even though they deny it and the Manifest sons of God as elected seeds.  They have their own lingo to describe annointings and callings and they teach that prophesy doesn’t have to be accurate, that it’s a learned skill like anything else in life.  I know these things aren’t Biblical, but when you question them they throw verses at you that makes you feel inferior, even though half the time the verses are twisted and taken out of context.  They’re powerful.  Bickle is powerful and he has followers that will do anything he says. Lou Engle is another leader so powerful with demonic spirits that he used to scare me when I’d see him.  They are dividing the body of Christ on purpose.  They’ve threatened people emotionally, spiritually and even physically.  The scariest thing of all is that they’re growing so fast that they don’t care if a few people here and there leave, Bickle is after the masses of young people and he’s demonizing them, all of them.  In the 3 years I was there Bickle never once preached about Jesus being the savior.  He’ll breeze over it in Scripture, but he never once discussed it or taught on it.  All his teachings are on going deeper into the spirit realm, prayer, meditation and fasting, calling forth the Holy Spirit to manifest revelations, asking for prophetic words, breathing techniques, chanting techniques, all focused inward toward the human spirit and not upward toward God.  It’s such a scary thing and I pray for everyone trapped.  

 Pray hard and don’t stop. In His Name, Emma  Julie’s Story – The IHOP CultForerunner Eschatology = FALSE →

IHOP Member says, “The Fruit is Very Bad.”

Posted on September 26, 2012by stopihopcult P

Personal Testimony from an IHOP member

 “I was 45 years old when I took a trimester at IHOP in 03 by the grace of God He led me and my wife away from that movement but it took about a year for me to realize it was a cult, and two years for me to see the whole prophetic, Apostolic, signs and wonders thing for what it is, DECEPTION.

 I know exactly what you are saying about contemplative prayer being like T.M. (transcendental meditation) But it doesn’t stop there, there is so much new age and Catholic mysticism mixed into the pot that it is one big hodge-podge of ecclesiastical witches brew.

 In a prophetic class that was taught by Kirk Bennett one of our assignments was to take a scripture and repeat it over and over for two hours straight, praying it, repeating it until we got a revelation, this is nothing but a mantra, repetitious prayer, something we are not supposed to be part of. At the time I thought something was wrong with me because I never got anything (but tired) unless it was by my imagination, but later I was pleased to know that I was being protected, that’s why it wasn’t working. 

I was a sincere man trying to answer what I thought was the call of God on my life and at the time I knew very little about the prophetic movement, but I did see a power that I thought had to be God.  And how could twenty four hour seven day a week prayer and worship not be of God? Boy did I get an education. Your right about this being part of the great apostasy but it isn’t limited to just IHOP but you are probably well aware of it. My wife and I actually moved in right behind IHOP in 04 from Wisconsin, thinking we were going to be part of that movement, but the Lord said no.  Because of our close proximity, and boarding an IHOP student with us for a year, we learned some of the idiosyncrasies and things that they would not want others knowing, we even took in a Chinese women for two weeks who was a wreck after being part of IHOP for two years. IHOP staff was very uncomfortable her staying with us, they didn’t want their image tarnished in the neighborhood, they did all they could to try and whisk her away before we found out too much.

Too much to tell, but the fruit is very bad.

Confessions of Truth

Posted on September 26, 2012by stopihopcult

Former IHOP Member Explains Why IHOP (International House of Prayer) Is A Cult!

Reprinted in full from The Gospel Masquerade

A cult? Strong word you might say…and you are correct. It is not a word I use lightly or carelessly to label anything. But much prayer, time and years of research and personal experience have brought me to the conclusion that I can say confidently that the root system–or foundation–that IHOP is built on follows the basic premises and signs of a cult religious group. When I first left IHOP, I went through a severe culture shock that is hard to put into words. When I began studying the signs of cult fallout and the things that cult members go through after leaving a cult, my eyes began to open to what I had been a part of and recently come out of.

 Below I have listed some common signs of cult operation. Below them, I cite in italics text short examples of my personal experiences at IHOP which illustrates these particular signs in action. After 5 years of being out of IHOP, I still hold to my position that it is a dangerous place for people’s hearts and have seen much destruction of families, relationships and marriages of those who have been involved with this movement.  I appreciate your taking the time to read and prayerfully consider the research and personal testimony I’ve included below.

 1. A destructive cult tends to be totalitarian in its control of its members’ behavior.Cults are likely to dictate in great detail not only what members believe, but also what members wear and eat, when and where members work, sleep, and bathe, and how members think, speak, and conduct familial, marital, or sexual relationships.

 As an intern at IHOP, our day to day lives were closely monitored and dictated. I was not allowed to go anywhere or leave IHOP premises without express verbal permission from a community leader except on our one day off. Our schedules started early in the morning with hours in the prayer room, then classes, then back to the prayer room. Our nights often ran late with required attendance at EGS (Encounter God Services) or any other special event Mike Bickle spoke at that we were required to attend. Sometimes we had to attend worship sets that ended at 10 pm or midnight. Sleep was minimal and was often un-restful when I did get it. Sleep deprivation is a commonly used tactic in many cult groups to weaken the mind and make a person more susceptible to the embracing of the doctrines taught by that cult. There are many biological and psychological effects of sleep deprivation on the mind.

 2. A destructive cult tends to have an ethical double standard. Members are urged to be obedient to the cult, to carefully follow cult rules. They are also encouraged to be revealing and open in the group, confessing all to the leaders. On the other hand, outside the group they are encouraged to act unethically, manipulating outsiders or nonmembers, and either deceiving them or simply revealing very little about themselves or the group. In contrast to destructive cults, honorable groups teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.

 Anyone who rebelled against IHOP’s rules went through a strict disciplinarian process. At its most minimal level of discipline, for an intern, this meant the loss of having a day off and having to do manual labor. Everyone was kept on a short leash. We also had weekly groups as interns that we were required to participate in where everyone was “interrogated” and pressured to open up and share their personal struggles, etc and answer personal questions about their lives, struggles, thoughts, fears, and walks with G-d. It often felt like going to some kind of confession (as in Catholicism) and some interns out and out refused to be so vulnerable and disclosing in front of people they did not know. We were all given journals and told that we had mandatory writing assignments to complete. We were to record details of our IHOP prayer room times, things God spoke to us, dreams, visions, or whatever else that happened in us spiritually and then had to turn in our journals weekly to have an internship leader review/read them. In the last month or so I was at IHOP, I paid particularly close attention to the fact that internship leaders ironically prayed things over me in prayer times or at the altar in the prayer room that related directly to things I had put in my journals. So what often might have seemed prophetic was the result of the information about me they already had access to.

 3. A destructive cult has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising. Altruistic movements, established religions, and other honorable groups also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group’s main purpose of improving the lives of its members and of humankind in general. Destructive cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. A cult’s real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.

 There was always an underlying pressure to bring people into IHOP. We were encouraged to invite others and get them to join what we were doing. IHOP campaigns big time to recruit new interns. At every conference, advertising and marketing videos are used to this day to promote the internships. They are played on large TV screens like presidential campaigns and are just part of the propaganda used to “sell” young people on this new version of what walking with God is supposed to look like.

 Each intern paid $4,500 to attend a 6 month internship. This covered some books/teaching material we were given as well as food, lodging etc. Check this out though: Every intern lived in the Hernhutt apartments (located next door) which IHOP owned anyway so the only expense was utilities and general upkeep. There was no rent. Plus when there was a mandatory fasting day, weekend, week, etc. no meals were served. So those who didn’t choose to fast had to go out and buy food and no interns were not allowed to have jobs so this got to be a big expense since there wasn’t extra money to live on.

 I lived in a 2-bedroom apartment. It housed 6 girls from the ages of 20-23. 4 of us shared one room and 2 shared another. The prayer room costs nothing to attend and is free and open to the public. So hmmm….$4,500 for meals, my electric bill and some IHOP books. I currently live in my own apartment, pay all of my own bills including rent, food, gasoline, renter’s insurance, credit card bills, student loans, electric, cell phone, etc etc and ALL of that costs me approximately $1,500 a month. So basic math says that someone was getting a big paycheck because my expenses would have never cost that in an internship program where we were given so little.

 4. A destructive cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the ONLY viable system for change that will solve life’s problems or the world’s ills. But these claims are empty and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to mind control to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.

 In the time I was there Mike often used “them and us” types of statements when referring to “the church” or those outside of IHOP. We were given a sense of being on the “cutting edge” because we were ahead of the church and were doing something new & innovative that was going to sweep the world. It all sounded good so everyone wanted to be in on it as a “forerunner” and liked the label of being on the front lines. So no one dared questioned it.

 5. A destructive cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader’s wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. In a destructive cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.

 Our family became friends with a Jewish couple who were in KC for a conference. They were part of the Ethiopian Jewish congregation in Israel and were missionaries in the US. They had some grave concerns and red flags (regarding IHOP’s theology, the model that is used with everything IHOP related, etc) that they attempted to meet with Mike and discuss. After being brushed off by Mike multiple times in his refusal to meet with him…even though they were Jewish leaders from Israel and Mike knew of them, he finally told these friends of ours that “This is how we do things here. This is just how IHOP is. It’s not for everyone.” If there was something you didn’t like or didn’t agree with, you were basically told “IHOP wasn’t for everyone so if you couldn’t handle it, maybe you shouldn’t be here.” There was no actual accountability for anything deemed wrong/un-Biblical. We were told that IHOP has its own “culture” and you must assimilate into that culture and language to really understand it. If you had a problem with something, you were told that you just had not been around long enough to understand how they did things OR that you just weren’t a good fit. These were the answers I was given when I met with internship leaders right before leaving. There was never actual admittance of wrong doing or hurting anyone who was caught in the crossfire.

 6. A destructive cult’s leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, leaders of flying saucer cults claim that beings from outer space have commissioned them to lead people away from Earth, so that only the leaders can save them from impending doom.

 Every intern was required to listen to the 12 hours of IHOP’s recorded history on CD footage. Much of this content was heavily edited before its publication. These tapes told of “prophetic words” and signs that were given to some of Mike’s mentors (Bob Jones, Paul Cain, etc)—who were all naming him as the leader of the next “big thing” God was doing. Over and over and over again I’ve heard it said (both directly by Mike as well as from others) that he (Mike) would be the leader of a movement that “changed the nature and expression of Christianity in the earth”. Every time, all recognition points to Mike. His “mission” to transform the church and capture the hearts of America’s youth has been his declared goal since the early 1980’s. One of the major dangers is that these grandious sounding claims and “prophetic” words are laden with flattery, narcissism, elitism and are a perfect guise under which anything Mike introduces through IHOP can fall under the heading of being a “new thing” God is doing.

 This elitist teaching puts Mike on a pedestal and he has a Messianic-like devoted following of people who would do anything if he told them to without a moment of questioning or hesitation. From my observations and experiences on staff, IHOP members do not think for themselves or question Mike’s interpretation of scripture or the slant in the way he teaches it. At any conference, one will easily observe that if Mike recommends a book or promotes a teaching, a t-shirt or a speaker, at the next break, ALL of that item will be sold out in their bookstore. When I was on staff, I heard people continually sing Mike’s praises around the clock and quote more of what Mike says or thinks or teaches than actual scripture.

 Mike has an alluring charisma and many seem to be instantly drawn to his convincing appearance of direction and purpose. He teaches with passion and emotion rather than truth and it’s that charisma that draws and hooks people causing many to blindly follow (and defend) his message.

 I believe that the IHOP lifestyle by and large sets people up for disillusionment through the false hope that its deception provides. It is a pseudo, manufactured reality where people are told “you can live in Nirvana and enjoy the ‘high’ of being in God’s presence 24/7 and that can be ALL that you live for” so people sell all that they have, buy into a dream and move across the country to be a part of a ministry that makes captivating claims…and then their world often crumble to ashes when things aren’t as they seem once they arrive.

 Mike’s primary target and focus is on the young people. His appeals from the pulpit and his well-polished speeches aim at capturing the hearts of America’s youth. Children and youth are not told or encouraged to respect or honor the parents G-d gave them. Instead, wedges are driven between families and a seed of pride, rebellion and elitism gets planted into the hearts of youth when they are told things like the following…

 This is a very close paraphrase of what I’ve heard many, many times at One Thing, IHOP conferences and in teachings by leaders:

 “YOU are called to be on the cutting edge. Come here and join a community of other people who are like you, called to what you’re called to. We understand you. You’ve been mis-understood in the church. You’ve had your wings clipped, your gifts misunderstood. Here you can fulfill your forerunner calling that your family just hasn’t understood about you. You might feel like you don’t fit back home, you’re on the outside, no one understands the fire in you. Well we get it. You are the leaders that G-d is raising up in these end times and you will be kings and queens on the earth—reigning with Him. You were made for this place. IHOP is an incubator for people like you.”

 Narcissistic speeches like this instill a sense of pride, arrogance and elitism in the hearts of youth who hear it and it feeds their need for validation and identity. They run to IHOP, leave their families, join internships…hoping that what they’ve heard is true. They go to IHOP looking for identity…instead of finding it in Jesus.

 Once outside of the IHOP environment, they are terrified and overwhelmed by the “real” world and don’t know how to function in it when they’ve been in an intensive internship environment. There is a degree of re-acclimating to normal life that feels like an IHOP detox afterward. It’s a severe emotional drop because the hyped up services and conferences that were your manna are now gone and when there is no prayer room, your life in God feels empty and lifeless. Many simply don’t know how to engage with God in a real day-to-day basis once they’ve left. I experienced this and heard the exact same thing from a handful of my friends after they left IHOP and the internship. At that point when disillusionment sets in, I know many interns that walked away from God completely upon leaving the internship and went back into lifestyles worse than the ones they left when they came to IHOP originally.

 7. A destructive cult’s leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself. Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves.

 I believe my statements above illustrate this so I won’t be redundant.

 8. A destructive cult’s leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic.Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow the cult. The leader then takes control over followers’ possessions, money, time, and lives.

 Youth are pumped up at conferences and then go home to tell their parents they are moving to Kansas City to join IHOP, be part of an internship, etc. At the time, sadly, they don’t realize how much more they are giving up and leaving behind than just their families. I was hurled into a system that took control of my time, when I ate, slept, had time alone, etc. Picking up the pieces of my heart and rebuilding a Biblical view of God after getting outside of IHOP was quite a long process. I hope that by sharing all of this, I am able to spare others the heartache of what I went through.

 Please don’t just take my word for it. Start doing your own research. Ask the Father to lead you as you pursue what is TRUTH. Don’t just stop at the facts–look deeper. Do Google searches on cults and ask the Lord to unveil deceptions.

Blessings to you on your journey of walking with Him.”

The more I research apostate mine fields, the more pervasive the field appears, the connections between clear, apostate, heretical figures and more contemporary, popular, accepted,’mainstream’ ones, (comparatively speaking), shocking. Main stream Christian media must be informed and committed to releasing knowledge of damnable, apostasy, heresy, and aberrant, grieving practices, the literal salvation of many, at stake. Diligent, sincere, accurate, Biblical, discernment, and thorough fair, investigation must not be limited to obscure web sites, perhaps subject to spiritual and theological bias, but publicly announced, to give fair warning to all. It is time to expose to the light what has been hidden in darkness. Soon the pure, sincere Church is going to be presented to the world as the enemy of the unity of humanity. The false unified church is going to appear to be the friend of mankind, mark my words! Now, must apostasy be exposed, for soon there will be no such thing in common quasi-christian knowledge. The true Church will be the enemy, to be eliminated! SELAH!

Charismatic-‘Progressive Evangelical’ Apostasy:

‘Progressive Evangelicalism’ Trending to Apostasy:

Evangelicalism is being redefined today, taking on, in many quarters, more liberal views and attitudes. A social justice gospel with pop psychology is replacing salvation and redemption, and political correctness, with inclusion, is replacing Biblical truth and moral standards.

Many can be heard reiterating doctrinal creeds, yet, as was well said of Rick Warren’s ‘clarifications’ by ‘Deception In The Church;’ Hybells and Warren did not publicly and officially off-load theology.  Rather they marginalized doctrine. They maintained an orthodox position for the record but it was put on ice in favor of personal fulfillment sermons,… but care is given to keep an acceptable doctrinal statement on reserve like a spare tire lest the seeker friendly message is challenged. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel20.html

This ‘progressiveness’ is leading to apostasy.
https://www.alisachilders.com/blog/5-signs-your-church-might-be-heading-toward-progressive-christianity

Mega church leader T D Jakes represents trend:

I chose Jakes as  representative of this apostate trend because of his influence, wide spread acceptance, and recent media controversy, further indicating the pandemic pervasiveness of the apostate trend. I cannot but continue addressing this destructive trend, largely because of the wide spread ramifications facing the church of God, and the fact that what is happening now, many probably see as a future apocalypse or that they’re safe from it’s deceptive poison. The Church exists in an apostate mine field

The early Church Fathers fought diligently against apostate heresy, for centuries. The orthodox creeds they established thro’ their diligence have been disregarded, the orthodoxy itself, held in disrepute, and scoffed at as liberal, humanistic, ‘higher learning,’ intellectualism “exalts itself above the knowledge of God.” 

Jakes’s teaching on sin leaves much to be desired. 
Sin Minimized – Before Emotional, Psychological Weakness: 
https://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/td-jakes-becomes-a-conduit-for-false-homosexual-theology/

In a three-hour video broadcast on TBN of his July 1999 WTAL conference in Atlanta, he addressed the women’s immediate emotional and social needs, but nothing was said on the issue of sin and the need for a Savior, nor on the atoning death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.50 In Loose That Man and Let Him Go! Jakes describes men who have extramarital affairs as doing what they do because they fear confronting unresolved issues with their spouses.51 He depicts men who carry weapons as living in fear that others will see the frightened little boy hiding behind the big gun.52 He characterizes men who beat their wives as little boys having a temper tantrum.  

https://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/td-jakes-becomes-a-conduit-for-false-homosexual-theology/T

T D Jakes, a conduit for false homosexual theology

In this audio (courtesy of Faith and Reason), Jakes can be heard giving credibility to the astonishing fallacy that Ruth and Naomi had a lesbian relationship.  Why is TD Jakes advocating two of the favorite lies of the gay christian movement?
“Ruth turns to Naomi and says “I shall not leave thee.” She makes her statement to this woman…that sounds somewhat, somewhere in between poetry, intimacy, and borders on lesbianism. People don’t even know how to explain what Ruth said to Naomi. It makes them uncomfortable. They’re afraid to talk about it. They don’t want to teach on it. Same thing with David and Jonathan…where there were same-sex relationships getting too close, people don’t even know what to say.” (our italics)

Bishop Jakes may be unaware and his church may be ignorant of the matter, but we have talked about it and we are not afraid. But talking about what Ruth said to Naomi is one thing.
Suggesting what Ruth said “borders on lesbianism” reveals the darkness in his own heart.  This doesn’t border on lesbiansm, it borders on heresy! But if you think that Bishop Jakes is just engaging our minds in the usual “deep” way he’s known for, think again. His own personal (views) issues with homosexuality color his theology. And its not good.

https://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/td-jakes-becomes-a-conduit-for-false-homosexual-theology/

T.D. Jakes position on homosexuality is both “evolved and evolving.”

In an interview with the Huffington Post in 2015  megachurch leader and author T.D. Jakes said that; “homosexuals should attend congregations that affirm their lifestyle and that politics do not need to reflect biblical ethics, adding that his position on homosexuality is both “evolved and evolving.”“LGBT’s of different types and sorts have to find a place of worship that reflects what your views are and what you believe like anyone else,” he outlined.https://christiannews.net/2015/08/07/t-d-jakes-comes-out-for-gay-marriage-and-lgbt-churches-says-position-is-evolving/

Jakes ‘Clarifies’ Comments:

Altho’ he attempted to ‘clarify’ his comments, questions remained, to the point that Dr.Michael Brown personally requested further clarification. Jakes response below, is followed by Micheal Browns clarification request.

In addition to clarifying his comments, Jakes threw critical shots at the Post, which he labeled as a “so-called Christian publication” that “misconstrued” his words “using lazy journalistic tactics to further their own agenda.”“I simply meant that my method is evolving — not my message,” Jakes stated. “I was shocked to read that this was manipulated in a subsequent article to say I endorsed same-sex marriage! My position on the subject has been steadfast and rooted in Scripture. For the record, I do not endorse same-sex marriage, but I respect the rights that this country affords those that disagree with me.”                   https://eurweb.com/2017/04/02/bishop-t-d-jakes-clarifies-huffpost-interview-comments-not-endorse-sex-marriage/     

Charisma News and Michael Browns Response: Editor’s note: Charisma News reached out to Bishop Jakes’ offices several times over the weekend seeking an interview. His office did not respond as of the time Dr. Brown’s article was published. 

Dr. Brown’s Response: “Bishop Jakes, with real interest, I watched your interview with Marc Hill, and the one thing that was clear was that you did not answer with clarity.Given your stature as one of the most influential Christian leaders in the country, and given the fact that headlines now read, “T.D. Jakes Comes Out for ‘Gay Marriage’ and ‘LGBT Churches,’ Says Position is ‘Evolving’,” and, “Bishop T.D. Jakes says Black church changing stance on LGBT community,” I appeal to you to remove all ambiguity and state clearly what you believe.According to the Scriptures, is homosexual practice sinful in God’s sight? Can you be in an active homosexual relationship and be a true follower of Jesus at the same time?Do you affirm LGBT churches?From my vantage point, Mr. Hill was seeking to get clarity from you on these kinds of issues, but your answers appeared to be intentionally ambiguous.                                                                        https://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/50946-bishop-jakes-could-you-clarify-your-stance-on-homosexuality

JESSE LEE PETERSON: YOU CAN’T BE BOTH AGAINST AND FOR ‘GAY MARRIAGE’A prominent black leader is calling out T.D. Jakes for his recent comments on homosexuality.

A prominent black leader is calling out T.D. Jakes for his recent comments on homosexuality—including a formal statement yesterday—which indicate that while Jakes is personally opposed to “gay marriage,” he supports the government granting homosexuals the right to “marry” and believes that practicing homosexuals should attend churches that affirm their lifestyle.

But Jesse Lee Peterson says that he doesn’t believe Jakes is being honest in his attempts to clarify his statements as the context of Jakes’ remarks as seen in the video footage belies his assertions. He said that Jakes is rather back peddling and “speaking out of both sides of his mouth.”

He said that he doesn’t believe Jakes’ comments to the Huffington Post were misconstrued, but rather that Jakes’ was telling the outlet—as reported—that while he has personal beliefs about homosexuality, he simultaneously believes that homosexuals should have their “rights” as the nation operates outside of biblical values—and in that sense, Jakes does support same-sex “marriage.”

“That’s exactly what he’s saying,” Peterson said. “He might as well have just come out and said outright that he does support it [in that regard], because that’s clearly what he’s saying, [that] because the government supports it, we should support it.”

“The country is not misunderstanding what he’s saying,” he continued. “I think the country, especially Christians, is seeing quite clearly what he is saying … You can’t be against it and for it. You’re either one or the other.”

Peterson said that Jakes’ argument in regard to the “rights this nation affords” to homosexuals is unscriptural.

“It’s clear that the government is not on the side of Christianity and it’s clear to me that today’s government does not serve God …. so they do want to accept everything—at least everything that’s wrong,” he said. “But being a ‘spiritual leader’–a man of God, a man who is leading the flock—he cannot go along with the idea of the government.”

“If you’re a man of God, you cannot have your ‘personal’ opinion about sin,” Peterson continued. “[H]ow are you going to have an opinion based on the government and be for it, but have a godly opinion about it and be against it? It doesn’t work like that. … It’s not right. We should not support it just because the government is supporting it.”

Peterson also expressed concern about Jakes’ remarks asserting that homosexuals should attend churches that affirm their beliefs instead of seeking to change Bible-based churches.

“It was unbiblical [counsel] and there is no way that you can be a spiritual leader and give out that type of advice,” he said. “God calls upon sinners to repent, and had T.D. Jakes been honest and fair, or a true spiritual leader, he would have called upon homosexuals to do the same thing, not recommend that they go to a different church.”

“A real man of God would not suggest that a homosexual go to a church that agrees with their lifestyle,” Peterson added. “He would suggest that they repent and turn to God.” https://christiannews.net/2015/08/12/t-d-jakes-rebuked-by-black-leader-for-riding-two-horses-on-gay-marriage-in-recent-statements/?fbclid=IwAR0MCNHGBwmplAZ4NAE49nx3C8Y0n51Fwyly7VUtS8IW78is5ftr0

I felt it important to give detailed responses to Jakes’original comment and ‘clarifications,’ to show how original statements can be made to appear misconstrued, when in fact they simply are not, as Jesse Lee Peterson has clearly pointed out.


TD Jakes, Andrew Merritt linked to gay church movement

Posted on August 27, 2007 by gcmwatch

The Fellowship, Bishop Yvette Flunder’s black version of the Metropolitan Community Churches, has finally gotten brave enough to list the men and women behind her apostate movement of pro-homosexual churches. This is actually good news because it affords GCM Watch the long awaited opportunity to examine and publish the wider associations of those in cahoots with pushing this  fake designer Christianity.

As soon as we began to investigate these individuals, we (surprisingly) found several strong links to so-called traditional churches and ministers, who may or may not know the extent or context of The Fellowship’s false doctrine and aversion to biblical sexual morality.
We want to first take note of Bishop Robert M. Taylor, a member of The Fellowship’s Ecclesiastical Board and partially responsible for the organization’s “spiritual direction and formation.”  Taylor had founded and pastored Fellowship Tabernacle in Philadelphia, a “gay-friendly” church  since 1979.

Taylor triples as a bishop in the Higher Ground Always Abounding Assemblies, headquartered in Columbus, OH. That’s the same denomination where Dallas  luminary Bishop T.D. Jakes and Detroit pastor Andrew Merritt of Straight Gate Church preside as two of the top three church bishops.  Taylor is a member of the “National Executive Board of Senior Bishops.” 

On January 25, 2006 we sent an email to HGAAA administrative offices  stating that we were “writing to inquire as to whether Bishop Robert Taylor, formerly of Philadelphia is in “good standing” with your organization.  Thank you for your reply in advance.”

An individual indentified only as Topsy83 [at]aol.com issued a sparse reply: “Yes, he is.”

If Bishop Taylor is in good standing, does this mean his approval and promotion of gay christian heresy is accepted in his denomination? And what about the pastors in his ICMF? Do they accept this false teaching? Is Bishop TD Jakes not aware of one of his organization’s senior executive bishops is a leader in a homosexual denomination? Taylor claims that he has been under the tutelage of Bishop Jakes whom he describes as his “spiritual mentor.” Is this why Bishop Jakes makes contradictory public statements on homosexuality and AIDS?

When we first exposed the connection between Bishops Jakes and Taylor, we were sent a letter (click thumbnail for larger view) claiming the post was “libelous and grossly inaccurate”. Sources later told GCM Watch Taylor was thrown under the bus by Watkins and Jakes in order to cover their own involvement. Bishop Andrew Merritt left the organization after he became aware that HGAAA leadership was complicit and condoning of homosexual activity.

https://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/td-jakes-andrew-merritt-linked-to-gay-church-movement/

Posted on July 14, 2011 by gcmwatch

Spiritual son of TD Jakes becomes an advocate of homosexual marriage.

One of the false convert/spiritual sons of Bishop TD Jakes has now repositioned /reinvented himself as an advocate of homosexual marriage. Michael Irvin made the announcement via a bizarre cover story in a homosexual magazine…Jakes eagerly featured Irvin as a spokesman in his “Manpower” conferences. In 2006, the Atlanta Journal Constitution wrote that during Jakes’ “Megafest” conference “NFL greats Michael Irvin and Emmitt Smith paid tribute to Jakes, both calling him “daddy.” ”

But the degenerative influence of Bishop Jakes has now crested in the person of Irvin who wants African Americans to embrace homosexual marriage as normal.

To make his big announcement, Irvin posed sexually suggestive, half nude on the cover of a gay men’s magazine. The backstory justification for this bizarre advocacy by Irvin was his cross-dressing gay brother who died in 2006. An NBC DFW story reported that Irvin credits TD Jakes with helping him to accept his brother’s sexual and gender dysfunctions.

“Michael Irvin was never shy in speaking out on the football field, whether to remind an opponent that he had just been beat, or to rally his teammates on the sidelines. Now, Irvin is lending his voice to the fight for equality, appearing on the cover of this month’s issue of Out, a gay men’s magazine.

Irvin says in the article that his relationship with his brother Vaughan, an openly gay man who died of stomach cancer back in 2006, did a great deal to mold his views on same-sex relationships. According to the magazine, Irvin became aware of his brother’s sexuality in the seventies, after discovering Vaughan wearing women’s clothing, an experience that deeply affected the Hall of Fame receiver. Irvin has since reflected on the appearance with the help of Dallas Bishop T.D. Jakes.”

Even the Dallas Observer raised an eyebrow at the weird connection between the two:

“How can Irvin be both open to embracing a gay athlete and be a faithful follower in the flock of Potter’s House bishop T.D. Jakes It is Jakes, remember, who — even after his son, Jermaine, was arrested in a gay sex sting in Dallas — calls homosexuality “brokenness” and promises to never hire a gay person into his sprawling ministry.”

If you are “surprised” about Irvin’s embrace of homosexuality, dont be. He’s been cultivating it for a while under the Jakes’ supervision. Irvin had been openly courting the homosexual community until last year when he was hit with a rape lawsuit from an alleged encounter with a woman 2007. As a result, ESPN summarily axed his show.

Its very interesting how people who creep into apostasy always end up fornicating with the homosexual community.  It seems to be a foreshadow of the bible’s depiction of Babylon. Revelation 18:1-5https://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/reposition-yourself-td-jakes-spiritual-son-does-soft-porn-for-gay-marriage/

https://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/td-jakes-becomes-a-conduit-for-false-homosexual-theology/

More progressive evangelicalism trending into apostasy! Altho’ fundamental doctrinal deviance, is a common ear mark of apostasy, moral deviancy is an indicator as well, even if it only pertains to one’s views, and not actual practice. Not acknowledging Biblically explicit sin as sin, lends itself to an apostate trend. So moral apostasy is a reality as well, altho’ perhaps less definitive, as to when an actual state of apostasy has been breached, or reached. There is sin that leads to spiritual death, if not repented of. Even intentional, continuing in sin can potentially lead to spiritual death, moral apostasy.                                                                                                                                                                                              “If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.” 1 John 5:16-18

May we see clearly past the deceptiveness of this progressiveness, semantics and all and clearly identify apostasy arising!

Pervasive Pandemic Evidence In Denominational Apostasy

Apostasy in the Denominations

https://christinprophecy.org/articles/apostasy-in-the-church/

The apostasy is not confined to the seminaries. It is pervasive. It can be found in all denominations. Consider the following examples.

In 1997, on the eve of Lent, the Right Reverend Alan Smithson, the Bishop of Jarrow (Anglican Church in England), held a press conference in London. He announced that it was traditional for Christians to give up something during the forty days of Lent. He then dramatically announced that he had decided to give up Bible reading! He went on to explain that he was going to devote his time during Lent to reading the Koran, because he felt like the Muslim scriptures would make him “more understanding, more compassionate, and more fully human.”16

R. Kirby Godsey, president of Mercer University, a school heavily supported by the Georgia Baptist Convention, “denies the infallibility of the Bible, the unique power and authority of God, the validity of the Gospel’s account of the life and teachings of Jesus, the efficacy of Christ’s atonement, and the uniqueness of Christ as the only Savior.”17

In 1997 the General Board of Global Ministries of the United Methodist Church sponsored a meeting in Kansas City that attracted 4,000 participants from all over the world. Called, “Global Gathering III,” the conference featured a parade of speakers who attacked the fundamentals of the Christian faith. One speaker declared that the crucifixion of Jesus reveals an “abusive Heavenly Father who is not fit for Christian worship.” The speaker urged instead that the Church revere all the world’s children as little messiahs equal to Jesus.18

Denominational Apostasy Today

https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/newsletter121206.htmLetter to the Editor and Guest Commentary:

“Southern Baptist Leadership’s Mixed Message on Homosexuality?” – I attended an SBC church many years ago, when its seminaries were shockingly liberal (even having atheists as professors!), before those who did not hold to the Holy Bible as their standard of Truth left and formed the CBF (Cooperative Baptist Fellowship) which has, as far as I know, always held to “liberal” (unBiblical) beliefs. It is very sad to see that those who once professed to believe the Holy Bible to be their sole authority for Truth and Godly living are now falling for this lie. Is there a mass exodus now from the SBC? If not, there should be — churches, pastors, individual believers. ”

Southern Baptist Convention Teams Up with Ken Blanchard and Erwin McManus
  Southern Baptist Convention continues to make the descent into spiritual formation (i.e., contemplative spirituality). At their upcoming (Feb. 2007) On Target Evangelism conference, speakers will be New Age sympathizer Ken Blanchard and emerging church proponent, Erwin McManus. In addition to Blanchard’s long history, including current activity, of promoting New Age authors and teachers (with a particular focus on meditation), Blanchard is on the board of the Hoffman Institute, home of the Hoffman Quadrinity Process. McManus, author of The Barbarian Way, says: “My goal is to destroy Christianity as a world religion and be a recatalyst for the movement of Jesus Christ … Some people are upset with me because it sounds like I’m anti-Christian. I think they might be right.“- While it is not surprising to see Southern Baptist Convention take another big step into apostasy, it is disheartening to watch it happen. So many unaware people are going to get sucked into the spiritual deception that now permeates the SBC walls.

https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/newsletters/2019/newsletter20190429.htm

Letter to the Editor and Guest Commentary: “Southern Baptist Leadership’s Mixed Message on Homosexuality?” I believe most Southern Baptist churches are doing the Spiritual Formation, Spiritual disciplines practices, correct me if I am wrong. My son, a missionary in Spain tells me that emergent churches have more incidences of sexual sins (adultery, fornication, etc.) so it is not surprising that views on homosexuality and transgenderism would eventually become more liberal. This is very sad. I graduated from a Southern Baptist College in the 60’s and am so alarmed at what has happened.

SBC Wesylan Church Goes Deeper into Contemplative 

Wesleyan Publishing House, the publishing arm of the Wesleyan church is going contemplative. This past summer, we reported that the Wesleyan Church was offering contemplative retreats called Holy Next: Spiritual Formation Retreat. Dr. Keith Drury (featured on HolyNext and a professor at Indiana Wesleyan University) writes “extensively on spirituality.” His newest book is titled With Unveiled Faces … Experience Intimacy with God Through Spiritual Disciplines. Drury also wrote a book for a series called the Lectio Divina Bible Studies, which is published by Wesleyan Publishing. 

In January, the Wesleyan Church will present the Gathering 2007 event. Speakers include Willow Creek pastor, Bill Hybels and business guru John Maxwell, a former Wesleyan pastor. And the denomination website has a Spiritual Formation Department with a Youth Ministry section that promotes the teachings of Rob Bell (Noomas) and Saddleback Church’s Doug Fields. 

In addition to these reasons above why we should be concerned about the direction Wesleyan is going, their main site online bookstore (serviced by Parable) is saturated with New Age sympathizing authors such as Brian McLaren, Ken Blanchard, Laurie Beth Jones, contemplatives such as Henri Nouwen, Richard Foster, emerging church leaders like Tony Jones, Dan Kimball, and Doug Pagitt. They also sell Alan Jones’ book, Reimagining Christianity, in which Jones says the doctrine of the Cross is a vile doctrine. In Henri Nouwen’s book, Sabbatical Journey (which Wesleyan sells) Nouwen said he was uncomfortable with those who said Jesus was the only way to salvation and he wanted to help people find their own path to God. Wesleyan is also selling Sue Monk Kidd’s books, including The Dance of the Dissident Daughter in which Monk Kidd states that God is in everything, even excrement! To top all that off, they are carrying books by panentheists Thomas Keating, Thomas Merton, Matthew Fox, and Basil Pennington. 

If you are attending a Wesleyan church, it might be a good idea to warn your pastor about the spiritual formation movement and ask him to contact headquarters because there is a fire of deception coming down the line, and a lot of people are going to get burned.

National Pastor’s Convention Using Occultic Enneagram

An 
Enneagram

Next year’s National Pastors Convention will be using an occultic tool called the enneagram (see yesterday’s post about Enneagrams). The tool will be used during one of the Critical Concerns Courses. An introduction of the course, Understanding the Enneagram: Insights for Spiritual Transformation says “This course will provide personal and biblical perspectives from the enneagram, an ancient tool being rediscovered in the church.” 

Unfortunately, this “ancient tool” that is being “rediscovered” is just another New Age/contemplative practice that is being disguised as Christian by wrapping it with out of context scriptures and Christian terminology. 

Considering that the National Pastors Convention is presented by Zondervan and Youth Specialties, it really comes as no surprise that they would introduce the enneagram. Zondervan Publishing is heading straight into the interspiritual camp, and if you watch the video clip we posted yesterday by Catholic priest William Menninger, you will see that the enneagram fits nicely with such interspiritual sympathies. 

Incidentally, mantra proponent Gary Thomas (promoted by Focus on the Family and Rick Warren) will also be speaking at the National Pastors Convention. Thomas, in his book Sacred Pathways, tells readers they should repeat a word for 20 minutes.

Denominational Leaders Join Leonard Sweet

https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=21371

“It is very fitting that our 100th Booklet is about emerging-church leader Leonard Sweet. Many of you may not know who he is or know very little about him, but his influence in the church has been significant. He is a prolific author who has been writing popular books since the 1990s, has worked closely with many Christian leaders such as Rick Warren, and has been very involved in teaching college-age evangelical students.

Sweet is currently organizing and co-hosting an event in Germany taking place in October called Luther 2017. Sweet has brought on board with him at the event Christian figures including Dr. George Wood, head of the Assemblies of God denomination, Dr. Gustavo Crocker, one of the General Superintendents of the Church of the Nazarene, Dr. Jo Anne Lyons, head of the Wesleyan denomination, Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, President of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, and several other major Christian leaders from around the world.

 Like contemplative mystic monk Thomas Merton said (quoted by Leonard Sweet in Quantum Spirituality), “if we really knew what was in each one of us, we would bow down and worship one another.” He and other contemplatives say that man’s biggest problem isn’t a sinful nature; no, it’s that he does not realize he is divine. Do all these pastors and professors who promote contemplative figures realize this is what they are really promoting?”

That Calvary Chapel would allow (Leonard) Sweet into their pulpits to teach those so carefully tended by Chuck Smith over the years shows just how far the Apostasy has progressed. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/leonardsweetquotes.html

A friend sent me this: http://www.theinterfaithobserver.org/journal-articles/2012/9/15/interfaith-seminaries-chart-new-territory.html?fbclid=IwAR0_6FOs2zaCurxRhsMbNxwwgsOKRxC7u2I3zKzqGsOsgRJG1b7JgISIKH4

As you can see, the apostasy is a pervasive, pandemic, dilemma of magnitude proportions, shockingly contributed to by, not only conservative evangelicals, but Pentecostal Assemblies of God leaders, and charismatics, among many others. I have no words to express the outrageous, hideous deception being foisted upon large sections of the christian church, who would follow a man who says. ” if we really knew what was in each one of us, we would bow down and worship one another.”

There is overwhelming evidence of the humanistic, pantheistic, and demonic, new age sources of ‘contemplative, centering, spiritual formation prayer’. And this is only one avenue of apostasy, following on the heels of years of liberal, humanistic theology, and spirituality, that has tried to cast doubt on the Word of God, robbing the Church of the Scriptures’ authority to speak truth into the lives of God’s people.

They don’t even have to perform great signs and wonders and their ‘pied piper’ spell is bring cast on the masses of the undiscerning! Do we really understand what’s happening here? This is the beginning of the great falling away! There are many on the apostate road of destruction, that think they’re ‘one with God!’ The ‘universal christ, the ‘divine spark,’ the ‘christ consciousness,’ is the false messiah! They’ve devalued, undermined, even demonized the Scriptures, the fundamental doctrines of salvation, scoffing at orthodoxy as an immature spiritual child, as they, the enlightened ones progress into their divinity, unaware in their spiritually, blinded scoffing state, that they are stumbling along the apostate road to destruction, and great is their number!

I’ve heard others say as well, that we may be in a ‘last call,’ back to our blood bought covenant with our Maker. Those that have violated their covenant thro’ ‘unfaithfulness, must repent and return to their first love, acknowledging their Saviour Jesus Christ, and forgiveness of sin thro’ His sacrifice. They must return to the Biblical Jesus, the Way, the Truth, the Life.

“For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.” Mat.24:24

We are in the days of great deception, more than we may realize; “with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thess.2:10-12

The time is upon us now, “when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. 2 Tim.2:3-4

What will it take to save them? Only God. They’ve scoffed at man. They’ve scoffed at the Scriptures. They’ve scoffed at established, determined orthodoxy. What will it take to save those who “refused to love the truth and so be saved…God send..(ing) them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2 Thess.2:10-12 What will it take? They’ve not listened until now. Cry mercy! Mercy! Mercy!