A Snapshot Of Ongoing Issues Corrupting Prophetic Movement-2

Exposing The Past To Reveal The Present Dilemma

https://freedomtofollowjesuschrist.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/peter-wagner-responds-to-todd-bentleys-affair-backpeddling/

‘LAKELAND REVIVAL’ 2008 – LANGUISHING

Numerous issues that arose during the ‘Lakeland revival,’ that never really reached the public scrutiny of the Body of Christ, as recently as this past year, have continued to erupt, proving a ‘languishing’ problem in the ‘charismatic/prophetic camp.

Numerous ones gives various perspectives

Part 2-Peter Wagner Run Down & Backdrop of Aligning Todd Bentley With ‘Revival Alliance’

C. Peter Wagner
I have no regrets over what I have done in the last four months, although there are undoubtedly a
few things that I could have done better.

To: Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team
From: C. Peter Wagner
Date: August 12, 2008
Subject: Todd Bentley’s Character Crisis

Most of you would be aware that the Lakeland Ledger broke the news publicly that Todd and Shona have decided to terminate their marriage. In Canada this requires a nine-month “separation” before official divorce proceedings can go into effect. I am quite upset by this development, and I know you will be also. I am now receiving a large amount of “I told you so!” email and I must say that my friends have a point. This has taken the lid off of a number of related character accusations against Todd that are now coming in which I might have dismissed previously, but no longer can do so.

Let’s take some time to process this. Todd was officially, publicly aligned with the Revival Alliance, so the three of you {end times note: John Arnott, Bill Johnson & Che Ahn} should definitely make some kind of statement, probably sending it to Steve Strang. Let’s not sweep this under the rug with a “touch not God’s anointed” as has been done with so many similar issues in our morally soft charismatic environment.

Meanwhile, I called Chuck Pierce for help, and he sent me the letter I am attaching with this here. Chuck has some very encouraging insights for us.

Blessings, Peter

C. Peter Wagner
President, Global Harvest Ministries, Chancellor, Wagner Leadership Institute

BACK DROP *Daryl. Peter Wagner, after visiting Lakeland in response to Carl Strader’s request, to help address issues with Todd, initiating an ‘alignment’ ceremony between Todd and ‘Revival Alliance,’ he communicates to the Lakeland event leadership, regarding further news about Todd’s separation from his wife. Below, he proceeds to communicate another update 2 weeks later, more fully explaining the preceding weeks and up to the ‘alignment’ ceremony on June 23 2008. These details are necessary, to recognize the discrepancies and contrary views and convictions of numerous leaders, many which were connected to the ICA, (International Coalition of Apostles), convened by Peter Wagner.

An Update on Lakeland from Peter
August 25, 2008

I was in the San Francisco airport on my way to Singapore and Indonesia when the news of Todd Bentley’s separation from his wife became public on August 12. When I arrived back home last week, I found that Doris had received and replied to around 1,700 emails and the stack of correspondence on my desk was unbelievable. It took me the rest of the week to catch up!
During the week I was gone, a major watershed occurred regarding the Lakeland situation as most of you would know. We are now on a new playing field. Lakeland Outpouring I, in which Todd Bentley was the main figure, is now history. Lakeland Outpouring II, in which Stephen Strader of Ignited Church is the main figure, has begun.

Speaking of the public figure going down the tubes, Todd Bentley now carries the label of a liar and a deceiver. I’m sorry to mention it, but I felt personally deceived in the same way when Ted Haggard’s sin was exposed and he was immediately removed from ministry. In the Lakeland I case, I am elated at the way things are turning out. The Revival Alliance with whom Todd was aligned on June 23 has kicked into action with a vengeance. Ché Ahn and Bill Johnson, like me, were overseas when things broke, but John Arnott stepped up to the plate and moved in apostolically. It has since become clear that Todd’s Fresh Fire Board could not have handled the situation, Stephen Strader and Ignited Church could not, nor could any of his other close friends. Only the Revival Alliance could. I am delighted that they are not buying into typical charismatic soft morality, also called “greasy grace” or “don’t touch God’s anointed” or “mercy must triumph over judgment,” phrases that have been used on other similar occasions as convenient religious cop-out excuses. They’re proceeding in love, but it is tough love..

*Daryl. There seems to be much laughable overstatement here! Eventually we will get to the ‘follow thro’ of ‘Revival Alliances’ oversight of Todd, which was anything but vengeance, and quite honestly was exactly opposite to Peter’s statement, “they are not buying into typical charismatic soft morality, also called “greasy grace,” ect, ect.. for this describes the follow up to a ‘T.’

Peter First of all, Todd has been removed from public ministry until further notice. He has resigned from the ministry he founded, Fresh Fire, so he is no longer a part of that board. It has become clear that he indulged in periodic drunkenness. He has no intention at the moment of reconciling with Shonna, nor does she with him. Their marriage has been torn for years by his emotional attachment with at least one other female whose physical contact went beyond hugging and kissing and holding hands. Enough said-maybe more details will be revealed later-but it was clearly immoral. All of this was skillfully concealed by lying and by swearing close associates who had observed his behavior to secrecy. Stephen Strader, for example, knew nothing of this before June 23. Apparently some of his board members did, but they did not have the ability to deal with it.

The PastPeter gives back drop to request to visit Lakeland
I hope this is the last time I will have to address the past. It is now history. But as history is written, I feel that I have some responsibility of helping to have history be written accurately, especially since I have turned out to be a lightening rod for a number of severe criticisms.

Most of you know this, but let me reiterate to keep it on record. Previous to around the middle of June, my interest in Lakeland was about a 2 on a scale of 1-10. Then I got a call from Stephen Strader, the host pastor who was a member of ICA, which I lead, with a passionate appeal for apostolic intervention because chaos and confusion had begin to invade the Outpouring I. Toward the end of the hour we were talking, I received one of my infrequent direct words from God: “Alignment!” Just one word, but I knew I had a divine command and responsibility.

Once I knew that God had assigned me to initiate some sort of apostolic intervention at Stephen’s side, I began praying and consulting with close colleagues. In less than two days I discovered that Todd Bentley had no formal, established apostolic alignment. I asked God how I should proceed, especially since I had no inclination to attempt an apostle-evangelist approach and expect that Bentley would submit to or even listen to what I had to say if I made an appointment with him in Lakeland. I felt that proper apostolic protocol would be for me to deal with one or more peer-level apostles to whom Todd had aligned apostolically. Since as yet he had no such alignment, I began asking God how such an alignment might come about. He directed me to my close friend, Ché Ahn, who himself is apostolically aligned with me and who also had been close to Bentley for years. Ché agreed that the best apostolic protocol would be for Todd to align with the Revival Alliance if he were willing. Ché called him and Bentley agreed to submit publicly to the Revival Alliance.

At this point some disagreements arose. I have already mentioned that I was consulting with several apostolic colleagues whom I trusted and whom I know trusted me. It is very necessary for us to understand exactly what the disagreement was about. It was about the most appropriate apostolic protocol for the occasion. After prayerfully listening to the different points of view with careful consideration of what was being said, the decision had to be mine. I believe that God’s word to me about “Alignment!” had to be directional. I concluded that the best protocol was to do the alignment first, then deal with the issues that had been raised. My other friends disagreed and urged me to deal with Todd’s problems first then do the alignment. I respected their point of view and I was very sorry that I had to follow God’s leading for me personally instead of taking their advice. It was not a comfortable decision.
Now let me address what was behind much of their disagreement with my apostolic protocol.

*Daryl. Here we clearly see that the consensus was an ‘alignment relationship’ between Todd and ‘Revival Alliance,’ (John Arnott-Bill Johnson-Che Ahn), and Che Ahn got the okay from Todd. This, Todd with Rick Joyner present, on public video broadcast, a month later, outright denied, giving a completely different account of understanding. Peter, as he mentioned earlier, in going against all counsel, and performing the ‘alignment’ ceremony on June 23, before counseling Todd, rec’d much backlash, ridicule, and a multitude of emotional reactions from friends and foes, yet he persisted (at least at first) in insisting that he had made the right move. Later we will see a lot of, what Dutch Sheets referred to as ‘dancing,’ from Peter, as the ‘implosion’ and fallout drifted across the ‘charismatic’ world.

PETER The Risk Taker Now let me address what was behind much of their disagreement with my apostolic protocol. They were concerned that if I appeared on the platform with GOD TV, many viewers would interpret it as my personal endorsement of everything that was going on in Lakeland I, and since they were so closely associated with me, they would be implicated as well. This was a legitimate concern, and one I seriously wrestled with as I made my decision. If I went to Lakeland and presided over the alignment, some might well take it as an endorsement. It was a risk, I knew. Let me say personally that all my life I have been a risk-taker instead of a play-it-safe person, and I have taken many hits for it. As an example going to the jungles of Bolivia as a career field missionary when I was 25 with my wife and a one-year-old baby girl was a serious risk. Both that daughter and another who was born in the jungle without medical attention came close to losing their lives during those five years. And we were criticized for our decision to take the risk by many, including parents!

Closer to the Lakeland I situation, I have a private list of no fewer than 18 high-profile Christian leaders starting from the 1970s until Bentley for whom I took risks. For each one of them I took serious criticisms and in some cases personal hits even much more serious than I have received in this current case because I endorsed or partnered with or provided alignment for them. Some were typified as “crazy!” However, I can pretty much discern winners, although not always. My track record for the 18 is 72% emerged as real winners (you would know most of them), 17% ended up losers (including Bentley), and 11% indecisive. I’m sorry for the losers, but they prove I am not perfect. The point I am making is that I am no stranger to taking risks and living with the fallout.

One fallout from Lakeland I is that several have resigned from ICA and other organizations that I lead because they no longer want to be identified with me. Others are still upset.
I want it understood that I did not go to Lakeland on June 23 for Todd Bentley. I had never met him personally. I had no knowledge of and little interest in his ministry. I went because I received an apostolic plea to help bring order to the confusion and chaos that was sweeping through the body of Christ worldwide because of the television. I went strictly for the body of Christ at the invitation of the host pastor of the Outpouring I.

The final question is: Was it successful? Looking back, I praise God for using me and others to help bring order to confusion, which is one of the chief biblical tasks of an apostle. Stephen Strader, who has been keeping records, affirms that the evil that the prince of the power of the air had been subtly introducing into the Outpouring I started to be exposed and unraveled the day after the alignment, June 24!

Spiritually, this is very understandable. Just about every leader I knew had discerned that Lakeland I was a mixture of the godly and the ungodly. We were praying in one accord that the evil would be separated from the good. My take is that God had decided to answer these prayers and in order to facilitate His process, He assigned me and the Revival Alliance leaders and others who were with us to align Todd Bentley apostolically for the first time in his life. When we did this publicly, spiritual transactions took place in the invisible world that would not allow the enemy to maintain the veil of secrecy he had carefully placed over the Outpouring. The evil was exposed, Revival Alliance had the authority to deal with it, and the net result is that order is replacing chaos in the body of Christ.

*Daryl. Everyone can draw their own conclusions and take aways from these commentaries from Peter. I’ll just point out, “every leader I (Peter) knew had discerned that Lakeland I was a mixture of the godly and the ungodly,” “Stephen Strader, who has been keeping records, affirms that the evil that the prince of the power of the air had been subtly introducing into the Outpouring,” “I (Peter) went because I received an apostolic plea to help bring order to the confusion and chaos that was sweeping through the body of Christ,” (Dutch Sheets)I, like many, also looked ahead to the possible fruit from questionable doctrine and experiences, exaggeration and hype, youthful pride, character issues and the frightening potential of a 32 year “young” man leading a movement that could shape the future of the Church...These things were frightening, very frightening, to others and meI could not ignore the “check”, the uneasiness, the sickening feeling deep in my spirit telling me something else was wrong—terribly wrong—in this situation...Did I voice my concerns to the appropriate people? Yes, including stating my concerns for Todd’s marriage to the Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team. Did they listen? Some did, some didn’t.”

*Daryl. All of this was known before Peter went to Lakeland, yet he says, regarding the ‘alignment,’ When we did this publicly, spiritual transactions took place in the invisible world that would not allow the enemy to maintain the veil of secrecy he had carefully placed over the Outpouring. The evil was exposed, Revival Alliance had the authority to deal with it, and the net result is that order is replacing chaos in the body of Christ.

Veil of secrecy? Really? Peter attributes his ‘alignment,’ to an apparent ‘dismantling,’ of events in Lakeland that bro’t it to a close!and the net result is that order is replacing chaos in the body of Christ!” That is very debatable, and now in hindsight, 12 years later, the fallout is still drifting across the ‘charismatic’ horizon! Words fail me, to describe the tho’ts and emotions illicit-ed from viewing this ‘Lakeland languishing’ snapshot,’so far, as I view the current ‘prophetic’ scene!

The Future
PETER It is now important to recognize that from now on we have a different playing field. Two separate things are going on. (1) The Revival Alliance is dealing with Todd Bentley and the fallout from his sin that has been and continues to be exposed. (2) I have told you previously about a group of 11 apostles that I have formed into the Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team. We no longer need to deal with Lakeland I and Bentley as such. However, we have a list of 24 serious issues that have emerged from that unpleasant experience which need to be thoroughly discussed with the conclusions circulated in the body of Christ. If you have seen Dutch Sheets’ recent “A Statement and Appeal Regarding Lakeland” you will get a glimpse of some of the things that we agree need to become standard operational beliefs and practices, particularly in our charismatically-inclined evangelical segment of the church.

It will take time, but our Apostolic Team will get to work on the 24 issues after some of this present dust settles, and we will be back to you!

In part 3 I will endeavour to track the ‘Revival Alliance’ follow up oversight activity with Todd. A few closing quotes here from Dutch Sheets, reflecting on their comparison to Peter’s correspondence and response.

Dutch Sheets (There must be)”complete honesty and transparency, the removal of all attempts at self-preservation, and absolute humility from all sides.“..(His observations of Lakeland events). “I, like many, also looked ahead to the possible fruit from questionable doctrine and experiences, exaggeration and hype, youthful pride, character issues and the frightening potential of a 32 year “young” man leading a movement that could shape the future of the Church...These things were frightening, very frightening, to others and me.“…”I could not ignore the “check”, the uneasiness, the sickening feeling deep in my spirit telling me something else was wrong—terribly wrong—in this situation.”…”Did I voice my concerns to the appropriate people? Yes, including stating my concerns for Todd’s marriage to the Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team. Did they listen? Some did, some didn’t.“…”Nonetheless, mistakes were made and must be acknowledged and learned from in order for us to heal, grow and move forward.“…“Should they have been more discerning and have listened to the warnings they received? Obviously.”…

Should those who “aligned” Todd with spiritual fathers (which was a good thing and positioned him to receive help if he chooses to accept it) have realized to do so publicly was a mistake and could be interpreted by those watching in no other way than as a complete endorsement? Yes, they should have, especially when the event became a commissioning ceremony, complete with decrees and prophecies of going to higher levels, predictions of Todd’s increasing world-wide influence and leading a world-wide revival, emphatic and prolific endorsements of his character, etc. How could those watching believe the evening was anything but an aligning, endorsing and commissioning ceremony? It was. It really doesn’t matter who laid their hands on Todd—all share responsibility. This was unwise at best, naïve at least and at its worst, foolish.

And should the leaders involved have realized that those of us connected to them relationally, ministerially, and as movements—some even in alignment with them apostolically and as sons and daughters—would feel minimalized, if not betrayed, by the fact that they were in essence taking us onto the stage with them? Yes. These feelings were inevitable, especially when we had such uneasiness and asked them not to. Should there be an acknowledgment of these mistakes to the body of Christ for the sake of accountability and in order to rebuild trust? I believe so, and remain hopeful this will happen.

But we are expected to have enough humility to look the world and those who follow us in the eye when we miss it and say, “we were wrong and we are sorry.” Our careless accountability has caused the body of Christ to be spiritually raped and abused. It has produced disillusionment and brought immeasurable reproach to our God and cynicism to His message. Concerning Lakeland, what was called the “greatest revival since Azusa Street” has become possibly one of the greatest reproaches. We, the leaders of the charismatic church, are responsible. For not accepting and acknowledging our responsibility, for caring more about our own reputation than Christ’s, I repent to God and ask forgiveness of the body of Christ.

For those on Todd Bentley’s board who had previous knowledge of his marriage problems and said nothing, it was more than a mistake—it was reckless, foolish, and irresponsible. For those on the stage the night of his aligning and commissioning who knew and said nothing—ditto. For those there who didn’t know, my question is, “why didn’t you?” You were trusted to know. That is one of the purposes of public commissioning and the purpose behind the concept of endorsement. I’m not trying to point the finger; I’m endeavoring to get us to be honest about our failures—we have serious credibility issues.

We have made a mockery of biblical restoration, making “ministry”—not healthy individuals, marriages and families—its ultimate goal. The fact is, integrity matters.

*Daryl. In retrospect, looking back at Dutch’s ‘rebuke’ to the ”charismatic/prophetic’ movement, regarding Lakeland and ‘corrupting influences of the time, and looking at the ‘charismatic/ prophetic,’ scene today, my observation is that Dutch’s ‘rebuke’ fell on deaf ears, for the corruption continues unabated! The exact opposite seemed to transpire, thro’ out the entire time.

As we will see next, the ‘follow’ up with Todd seemed to fall, and fall short, with Rick Joyner, where Peter and Dutch’s concern for ‘tough love,’ apparently turned into ‘tough,’ ‘love’ wins!’

ADDENDUMPETER STILL DANCING!

Peter claims that tho’ he arranged the ‘Revival Alliance’ aligning with Todd, that Che Ahn was responsible for the ‘laying on of hands, and commissioning,’ of Todd, into an ‘apostolic office,’ putting the onus on Che Ahn for all the fallout over the debacle! He made sure to point out that, he“moved to the back and neither my wife, Doris, nor I prayed or prophesied”.

https://churchwatchcentral.com/2017/03/02/c-peter-wagner-explains-alignment-ceremony-blames-che-ahn-for-bentleys-apostolic-commissioning/

It is unbelievable Wagner has the audacity to act in such a manner and not take responsibility for his theological mess. Why didn’t Wagner think it was his responsibility to inform his friends on stage of the bigger picture? Did these NARpostles know that they shouldn’t have commissioned Todd? Wagner was in a position of authority to tell these “apostolic pillars” “not to lay on hands… [or] anoint with oil, or pray/prophesy over Bentley into an apostolic office”. Instead he “moved to the back and neither my wife, Doris, nor I prayed or prophesied”. He just stayed silent and made fools out of NARpostle Che Ahn, Bill Johnson and John Arnott.

Peter’s Explanation Of ‘Alignment The vows of alignment with Ché, Bill, and John led to Todd’s commissioning.  Ché Ahn was in charge of this.  Notice that the only ones who laid on hands and commissioned were the three of them.  Several prayed and prophesied.  I want to make it clear that I did not commission Todd as some wrongly think.  I didn’t lay on hands, I didn’t anoint with oil, in fact I moved to the back and neither my wife, Doris, nor I prayed or prophesied.  I did this intentionally because I knew I would be wrongly positioned for the second part of my assignment if I did.

One more point is made by many. Finally, where was the Apostolic/Prophetic knowledge of Todd Bentley’s grievous sins while the ‘Alignment and Commissioning’ services were taking place? Part of Peter’s reasoning was, align Todd first with ‘spiritual fathers,’ then address the issues. As much as he insisted, against the advice of ‘trusted friends,’ to have a public ‘aligning ceremony first, this blew up in his face and on everyone else’s face on that platform, on that ‘infamous day!

‘The Day Of Infamy!’

In the eyes of the church world, June 23 2008, Lakeland Florida, ‘Carpenter’s Home Church,’ was the day of infamy, where the ‘charismatic/prophetic’ movement imploded, as some of it’s most prominent leaders and figures laid hands on, anointed with oil, and prophesied Todd Bentley into ‘next level,’ ‘apostolic wonder working,’ world changing, anointing, while sin burdened, and deceived, awaiting the day to announce his separation from his wife and children.

Still, Peter Wagner claimed the event a success, because exposure, and shut down occurred the next day. He has since passed on out of this ‘war zone,’ but everyone else is still taking fire, some of it, ‘friendly fire!’ Lakeland languishes still, it’s final day obtaining the unoffical title, ‘The Day Of Infamy!’

Peter’s Parting Remarks On Lakeland That is my update for now, and probably the last one I will issue on the subject of Lakeland. Criticisms of what I have done have been severe, but affirmations have outnumbered them maybe one hundred to one.  Only a few have been so upset that they have severed relations with me, and I deeply regret this.  But I have no regrets over what I have done in the last four months, although there are undoubtedly a
few things that I could have done better. Let’s move on to new horizons for the kingdom of God!
Blessings,
Peter
https://kimolsen.net/tag/the-lakeland-revival/

Peter Claims, Affirmations have outnumbered criticisms! Affirmations have outnumbered them (criticisms) maybe one hundred to one.  Only a few have been so upset that they have severed relations with me. Peter Wagner

Another Termed It, ‘Apostolic Fallout’

https://www.gty.org/library/blog/B131121/discernment-and-disaster

http://subversiveinfluence.com/2008/08/reinterpreting-the-lakeland-fallout/

An ICA ‘APOSTLE’ SPEAKS OUT on LAKELAND

https://zoeministries.blogspot.com/2008/09/ica-apostle-speaks-out-on-lakeland.html?m=0

Andrew Strom.

First, let me start by saying that Robert Ricciardelli has been incredibly bold and courageous in speaking out on this issue in recent days. He is one of the very few from NAR circles who have
dared to speak up – firstly on blogs and on the radio – and even on our own Forum at RevivalSchool .com etc. Robert is a member – a “marketplace apostle” in Peter Wagner’s “International Coalition
of Apostles” (ICA). He is the real deal. For him to speak out about Lakeland is a very brave act indeed. Plus he is a Charisma Magazine writer and a friend of Lee Grady.

Last week on July 14th Robert was a guest on Radio KGNW -where he spoke of how he had just come back from Lakeland, and told of his deep concerns and the background research that he had been doing. On July 16th he commented on one Internet blog:
“Truth is there are very few people being healed in Lakeland. I have worked with Charisma Maga- zine editor Lee Grady in discovering how many false reports have been released as facts. These are our brothers and sisters involved in this, but this move of God has been a move of men with God still touching some who come to seek Him.”

On another blog he wrote: “Charisma reporters and a few others like myself have tried to get these verified and cannot… We actually had offered to help, because any news of a resurrection in my
opinion is world news if it can be validated. But then when the totals continued to mount which led to hype and embellishment, they began to ask us to stop asking questions. Hmmmm?

After this year we will pray about next year and so far it looks like the Father is giving us a sense that we may not to be a part of the ICA if Peter and the leadership do not reconsider their impromptu decision to jump into the Lakeland stream, when many of us warned him not to. It was a mistake to coronate, when they needed to father and correct Bentley from the direction he is heading others into. It just put more fuel in his errant tank.

“The biggest thing about Lakeland is the lack of the fear of our Awesome God, lack of repentance and humility. Many have exchanged the truth for a lie and chosen experience over content. Angels, trances, and 3rd heaven focus has replaced the gospel as a focus… Lord do what only you can do to bring your divine alignment to all of us in Jesus name..” [-end quote]

I took note of the fact that Robert said that “many” had warned Peter Wagner not to jump into the Lakeland stream. I also noted that Robert seemed to be saying that he himself may leave the ICA over this issue. I thanked him publicly for his courage in speaking out, and asked him if there really was a lot of disagreement even within Wagner’s own movement?

Robert replied:
“To answer your question, yes there is at least a dozen ICA members that I know of that are extremely concerned at Peter’s endorsement and more to follow as the nonsense continues. The transferring of anointing, the focus on man bringing anything but the gospel is amazing and sad…. if Peter Wagner, Bill Johnson, and some distinguished members of the Who’s Who in Charismania say it is all good, then people just go with it. Some have begun to see the YouTube and other information and begun to change. Some go as far as to claim it as deception, others say it is a move of God that needs correction.

“It is my opinion that it was man orchestrated and demonically influenced from the very beginning. The worship has been good and Roy Fields is an awesome worship leader, so many in the worship and even watching from afar can sense God in the worship of His people. The truth is God has been engaged in the worship and has touched and healed some. This is why it has been so confusing to some. I have heard that Roy Fields has stated a few times that when the worship ends, God’s presence leaves the platform, and then Todd Bentley operates void of His presence. That is why most all of what they have claimed cannot be verified, because it just is not happening.

“We are now in a place in what I see as the Second Apostolic Age that apostles can agree publicly to bring alignment. I cannot recall an event of this nature in the recent history of the Church.” Peter Wagner
https://churchwatchcentral.com/2017/03/02/wagner-reports-on-todd-bentleys-2008-alignment-ceremony/

https://www.gty.org/library/blog/B131121/discernment-and-disaster

Full transcript on the ‘Day of Infamy’ above, plus 4 videos on ‘aligning & commissioning of Todd.

‘The Day Of Infamy,’ – ‘Apostolic Fallout’

The wheels began to fall off of the ‘apostolic wagon!’

More evidence of ‘misalignment’ with the government of God!

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