Necromancy is actually contacting the spirit world, not the dead.”The dead know nothing”
The History Of Necromancy
communicating with the spirit world
“Many anthropologists believe that necromancy evolved from shamanism, a form of spirituality more common in the ancient world. Shamanism is when a person called a “shaman” attempted to communicate with the spirit world by means of entering into a trance, perhaps with the help of smoked or consumed substances, or a drum beat, and with various paraphernalia, like sacred jewelry or clothing.”
One present-day spirituality that incorporates necromancy is “channeling.
“While the practice isn’t as common today as it was in the ancient world, it’s still found in different religious expressions. Necromancy today isn’t always practiced in isolation, independent of a larger worldview, like it sometimes was in the past. One present-day spirituality that incorporates necromancy is “channeling,” which refers to the use of mediums (i.e. people believed to have a gift of communicating with the dead). Seances, too, are another example of people attempting to communicate with the dead. Those involve a group of people sitting in a circle, holding hands, and summoning a deceased person. Often times psychics practice a form of necromancy as well.”
*Necromancy is contacting, communicating with the spirit world, by ‘channeling’ demonic spirits, conjuring them up by invoking their presence. The dead are not being contacted! There is no contact with spirits of the departed, as we shall see later. -Eccl. 9:4-10 “… the dead do not know anything,” -Luke 16:19-31
A CREE FIRST NATIONS TALKS ABOUT NECROMANCY AS INTEREST INCREASES
February 20, 2014 by Lighthouse Trails authorhttps://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=14712
LTRP Note: There is a lot of talk (and books) these days about people who say they are communicating with someone deceased or are having direct communication with God and/or experiences in Heaven. A few examples are: Have Heart talks about a deceased son communicating with his grieving parents; Jesus Calling and God Calling are about women who says Jesus and God communicate directly with them; Eban Alexander’s Proof of Heaven is about a mystical near-death experience that a neurosurgeon says he has in Heaven; Heaven is For Real (a New York Times best seller) is about a little boy who says he met his deceased sister and grandfather in Heaven during a near-death experience. Most of these books have been best-sellers at one time or another.
A recent Time magazine cover story is called “The Mystical Revolution,” and clearly we are seeing such a revolution today. From New Age practices such as Reiki and mindful meditation to eastern religious practices such as Yoga, to monastic practices such as centering prayer, contemplative prayer, lectio divina, and breath prayers, our world is fast becoming a mystically drawn society. Below one Cree First Nations woman from Canada, who is the daughter and granddaughter of medicine men, talks about necromancy—communicating with the dead. While we witness this extraordinary interest in communication with the supernatural, this article is a good reminder of what Scripture says.
By Nanci Des Gerlaise
(author of Muddy Waters: An Insider’s View of North American Native Spirituality)
The practice of necromancy is divination by alleged communication with the dead. When medicine men go into the sweat lodges, they summon and talk with what they believe are their dead ancestors to ask for guidance, direction, or healing. Yet, in reality, they communicate with familiar spirits or spirit guides who know intimate details about each person they are assigned to, usually without their knowledge. These spirits are what may come to you in your dreams, or you may hear their voices. In some cases, they may pose as loved ones who have passed on.
Native elders, or their followers, often become angry when there are Christians present, and in some cases they ask them to leave. If they truly worship the one and only true God, why then do they get angry or ask Christians to leave? The real explanation is that there are two opposing forces at war—God and Satan. The real reason why Christians are asked to leave the area is that the devil is afraid that Christ’s truth will expose his lies.
Medicine men, and those who practice necromancy, are speaking to and worshiping demons, which is why they become angry when Christians question them; they think that Christians are disrespecting their beliefs. Instead, they should be asking, “Could it be that the truth is making me angry?” Christians are right to reject these beliefs. In fact, they shouldn’t even be in such a session in the first place.
The Bible states there is a great chasm that prevents any type of visitation from beyond. Luke 16:26 says:
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Once when we were left home alone, I stayed up until about four a.m. hoping Dad would come home. I finally fell asleep and had a dream that I had died and could feel my soul floating upwards out of my body. It was very seductive because it felt beautiful, and there was music unlike anything I had ever heard. I was gone about five or six minutes, and then a voice said I had to go back because it was not my time. Even after I came to the Lord, I believed this for a while. Then I finally repented of it because of its association with necromancy. A Christian must have nothing to do with such a work of darkness!
Sometimes healing takes place in such situations, but it definitely is not the Lord Jesus Christ doing the healing because these beliefs and practices are clearly an abomination to Him. Only Satan would have the power to heal at a sweat lodge ceremony. Yes, the devil can bring temporary healing, but it is always for the purpose of further ensnaring a person into the works of darkness. The Bible warns of such false miracles, signs, and wonders in Revelation 13:14 and 16:14. And as for attempting to communicate with the dead, the Bible clearly warns:
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God. For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do. (Deuteronomy 18:10–14)
The idea that we can communicate with the dead and they can communicate with us has begun to drift into the Christian church. In Larry Debruyn’s book review of Have Heart (written by a pastor who lost his son in a car accident), Mr. Debruyn states:
I fear, with the growing emphasis on reports of Christians visiting Heaven, or of receiving visits from Heaven, whether solicited or not, that the evangelical church is stepping onto the “slippery slope” leading to spiritualism and spiritism, something practiced by the Canaanites and forbidden by God’s Law. . . .
Spiritualism is very attractive because it promises knowledge of the future and communication with dead loved ones. Many people will be influenced by demonic spirits in this way without realizing it. . . . “God has forbidden humans to try to communicate with the departed dead; such attempts result in communication with deceitful spirits, known as ‘familiar’ spirits. . . .” The spirits are called “familiar” because people think they know them from life!
Can The Living Talk To The Dead ?
By Wayne JacksonIt is interesting to note that the term “familiar spirit,” as employed in the Old Testament, was in the Septuagint (Greek Version of the Old Testament) rendered by the term
eggastrimuthos, meaning “to prophesy from the belly” — thus suggesting ventriloquism rather than an actual conversation from the dead.
In his informative book, Understanding the New Age, Russell Chandler notes that nearly half (42%) of America’s adult population believe they have been in contact with someone who has died (1988). This was up 15% from a survey conducted in 1977.
And more recently, a 2009 survey by the Pew Research Center reported that 29% of people claim to be in touch with someone who has died. Of course, there is nothing new about necromancy (attempting to communicate with the dead). It is almost as old as death itself. It has, however, received a resurgence of interest lately with the advent of “New Age” philosophy under the influence of such notables as Shirley MacLaine (1983).
Necromancy was practiced in ancient Babylon and Egypt, which was known as the “mother of the occult”. There is considerable evidence in the Old Testament that even the Hebrews became involved in the practice. During the time of the wicked Manasseh’s reign over Judah, it is said that the king “practiced augury, and used enchantments, and dealt with them that had familiar spirits, and with wizards” (2 Kings 21:6).
One who sought to communicate with the dead was called a necromancer. The term refers to one who attempts to obtain supernatural knowledge from beyond the grave. Such a person was said to have a “familiar spirit” — a dead person who could convey the desired information. Modern spirit mediums call them “controls”.
Moses wrote: “There shall not be found with you . . . a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For whosoever doeth these things is an abomination unto Jehovah” (Deut. 18:10-12).
Again: “Turn you not unto them that have familiar spirits” (Lev. 19:31), for “the soul that turns unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards, to play the harlot after them, I will set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among the people” (Lev. 20:6). That, of course, implied the death penalty (Lev. 20:27).
Can Mediums Actually Speak with the Dead?
Could certain perverse persons actually communicate with the dead in those ancient times? And what of today? Some believe that during the Mosaic economy there were actually people who could contact the dead. By supernatural knowledge obtained from them, they could predict the future. Chandler remarks:
There seems to be convincing evidence that some accurate information has been transmitted from beyond the grave, and that the mediums through which it was communicated could not have otherwise known about it (84).
One reason some are convinced of such (even if they oppose the practice) is their contention that capital punishment would hardly have been legislated against mere pretenders. We feel, however, that his argument is invalid. Baal and the other gods of ancient heathenism actually were “no gods” (Gal. 4:8; cf. 1 Cor. 8:5, 6). And yet, there were laws against worshipping idols that carried the death penalty. Others, who deny that anyone today can contact the dead, nevertheless believe that through spiritist “mediums” occultic forces (e.g., demons) are at work.
This writer believes that the best evidence indicates that no one, either in the past (unless by the interposition of God) or present can talk with the dead…
The Medium of Endor
The most notable case in the Old Testament is that of Saul’s consultation of the so-called medium of Endor, whereby Samuel is said to have been summoned from the dead (1 Sam. 28:3-25). Again, however, scholars are disagreed as to the meaning of this incident.
The most common view, however, is that this incident did involve a real appearance of Samuel from the dead, affected not by the woman, but by Jehovah. It was a unique event. This seems to be supported by the fact that the woman herself was terrified by the presence of Samuel. Davis and Whitcomb note: “This unusual act on the part of God was certainly designed to emphasize the doom of Saul and God’s displeasure for his coming to a necromancer” (1970, 257). The biblical record certainly indicates that this circumstance in the life of Saul was the crowning act of his apostasy (cf. 1 Chron. 10:13).
Spiritism Is Sinful
Attempts to contact the dead are both sinful and futile. Spiritism is wrong because it reflects a paganistic departure from God. Isaiah once asked: “And when they say to you, ‘Consult the mediums and the wizards who whisper and mutter,’ should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living?” (Isa. 8:19 NASB).
Another reason spiritism is wicked is that it is a work of the flesh. One of the evils listed by Paul in Galatians 5:19ff is sorcery. The Greek term is
pharmakeia, which originally had to do with the use of drugs (compare our word “pharmacy”), but it came to be used in a more general way.
James MacKnight says that it is employed of “those arts of incantation and charming, and all the pretended communications with invisible malignant powers, whereby heathen priests promoted the reverence and worship of their idol gods, and enriched themselves” (1954, 301).
Furthermore, efforts to communicate with the dead are useless. The dead cannot inform the living concerning the events of this earth because “the dead know not anything . . . under the sun” (Eccl. 9:5-6). That is, they are not aware of what transpires on this planet. Deane comments: “What passes upon the earth affects them [the dead] not; the knowledge of it reaches them no longer” (1962, 226).
A Hebrew prayer, emphasizing the need to trust solely in Jehovah, declares that “Abraham knows us not” (Isa. 63:16). In other words, he is unaware of earthly activity, hence, is unable to assist the Israelite people. The dead cannot reveal the secret counsels of God, for Jehovah’s righteous will is made known in his divine law (cf. Deut. 29:29).
It is certain that the dead cannot bring spiritual admonitions from their abode as evidenced by the narrative concerning the rich man and Lazarus (Lk. 16:19-31). Here are the facts. The rich man had died and his spirit was in the Hadean (unseen) realm. He remembered that his brothers who survived him on earth were unprepared to meet God and wanted them to be warned. It is obvious that he could not get a message to them, otherwise he would not have requested that Lazarus be sent. It is likewise revealed that Lazarus was not permitted to make the journey back to earthly environs.
The testimony of the Scriptures is sufficient to prepare men for death.
The Quackery of Spiritism
Even though there is absolutely no evidence, biblical or otherwise, that men can contact the dead, due to the nature of humanity, hope springs eternal in the bosoms of many. An environment which facilitates fakery thrives.
Let all of those who honor God shun the world of the occult, lest a “lying wonder” be believed resulting in damnation (2 Thes. 2:9-12). The Bible is plain: those who dabble in the mystic arts will not enter “into the gates of the city” above (Rev. 22:15).
The words of Kipling are still appropriate:
Oh, the road to En-dor is the oldest road,
And the craziest road of all,
Straight it runs to the witch’s abode,
As it did in the days of Saul.
And nothing has changed of the sorrow in store,
For such as go down on the road to En-dor.
Scripture Condemns the Occult
Deuteronomy 18:9–12. When you come into the land which the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There sall not be found among you any one who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur (that is, an enchanter, one who looks for and uses omens), or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord; and because of these abominable practices the Lord your God is driving them out before you.
Moses mentions eight spiritist activities: divination, soothsaying, augury, sorcery, the use of charms, mediums, wizardry, or necromancy. These are not clearly distinct activities; they overlap and are sometimes used interchangeably. What they have in common is that they all involve efforts to obtain knowledge which is ordinarily hidden, and the means of attaining it is through dealings with the spirit world or with mysterious supra-natural forces.
According to verse 9, it follows that God would command, “You shall not learn to follow these abominable practices.” This is very strong. Not only, “Don’t do them,” but also, “Don’t even learn to do them. Don’t equip yourself to do them; don’t prepare in any way to be a part of them; do not experiment with them.” Where the deed is evil, every inclination to the deed is evil. This is the heart of my first main point, namely, that the Scripture forbids God’s people from any participation in the occult.
Isaiah was one of the prophets God sent to Judah to warn the nation of the coming judgment if it did not turn from its sin to God. You can see his attitude toward omens and divination in 44:24–26:
“Thus says the Lord your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out the earth—Who was with me?—who frustrates the omens of liars, and makes fools of diviners . . . who confirms the word of his servant, and performs the counsel of his messengers.” God frustrates omens and makes fools of diviners, but he confirms the word of his chosen spokesmen. Then in 47:12, 13 Isaiah uses biting irony to point out the folly of looking to the occult for help. “Stand fast in your enchantments and your many sorceries, with which you have labored from your youth; perhaps you may be able to succeed, perhaps you may inspire terror. You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at new moon predict what shall befall you.”
The Righteous Dead Cannot Return and Communicate With The Living
http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222008000300009 (Excellent detail here, not included in this blog)
Communicating with the dead (spiritism)
Spiritism is founded on the idea that the living can communicate with the souls of the dead by means of mediums (individuals who act as intermediaries between the material and physical world). It is the contention of this study that such practices are neither “spiritual” nor approved of by God. The Bible has a negative view of necromancy or attempts to communicate with the dead. In fact, all contact with the spirit world is expressly forbidden irrespective of the nature of the spirits concerned (Lv 19:26-31; Dt 18:10-11; Job 7:7-10; Is 8:18-20; Lk 16:19-31).
What is the Biblical view on divination and conjuring spirits?
• Leviticus 19:26
Leviticus 19:26 commands: “Do not eat meat with the blood still in it. Do not practise divination or sorcery. ” (NIV).
This Scripture has particular relevance. Grintz (1972:85) argues that slaughtering practices similar to kosher slaughtering is suggested. Therefore the basic meaning is ritual and sacrificial: draining the blood onto the ground would nourish chthonic deities or spirits. If it was performed as part of a divination ritual, it involved sacrificing the animal on the ground rather than on a stone, draining the blood into a deep trench and allowing the blood to soak in before the meat of the sacrificial beast could be consumed. The significance of this blood rite was that it was believed to draw the spirits to the surface and that it enhanced their powers of foretelling future events.
So Leviticus 19:26 specifically prohibited a chthonic interpretation of kosher slaughtering.
The prohibition on divination covers augury and necromancy. Ronald (1980:685) suggests that may denote “augury”, which involves predicting the future by looking at the movement of animals, smoke or metals. An example of this can be found in Genesis 44:2 where the account describes how Joseph used a goblet for divination ( ; Gn 44:25, 15). The other interpretation is that this term may be related to , “cloud”, a word with the same consonants. Hartley (1992:321) argues that if this proves to be correct, it could mean that it includes predicting the future by looking at the movements of the clouds. The other interpretation is that the term is an onomatopoeic word for the sounds which a necromancer makes when he/she is communicating with a spirit.
Kaufmann (1960:21-24, 32-33) states that the Scriptures consistently reject divination because it is founded on the notion that there is an intangible force (fate) which exerts an influence on the destiny of all things. It negates the omnipotence of God as the Sovereign creator. This is evident in Deuteronomy 18:9-12.
Leviticus 19:31 prohibits the Israelites from interacting with , “ghosts”, and , “departed spirits” for guidance and/or divination. Hartley (1992:321) further asserts that this was necessary since many nations in the ancient Near East sought spiritual guidance from the dead through mediums and spiritists. In Scriptures the word , “turn”, is used to denote turning to God but more often refers to turning to other gods in worship (v 4; Dt 31:18, 20; Hs 3:1). The second term, , “seek”, in a religious context denotes making a significant effort in the worship of God (2 Sm 21:1; Hs 5:6, 15; Zch 8:21- -22; but in Isaiah Is 8:19; 19:3 with and ). In this regard, Wagner (1975:238) states that it is only used to refer to spirits of the dead.
The exegetical analysis therefore implies that these individuals who approached mediums were seeking divine guidance through contact with dead souls. The Biblical account of Saul’s visit to the Witch of Endor is an example of this. On this occasion, he sought out Samuel’s dead spirit for guidance. The Bible strongly condemns such practices (1 Samuel 28). Yahweh abhors such practices because it denies Him as the Sovereign Creator and Living God.
Should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?
• Isaiah 8:19
This text is very clear about God’s view on spiritism: “When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living?” (NIV).
Gehman (1999:151) mentions that this text uses the word darash in two ways namely, an acceptable and an unacceptable way of asking God for guidance. At Mount Sinai they were formed into a nation with a special relationship with God, their Redeemer. Israel was chosen by the Lord, who said, “… out of all nations you will be my treasured possession” (Ex 19:5). Any “seeking” or “enquiry” by Israel was to be directed to Him alone. This exclusive relationship between God and His people was for the glory of God and the good of Israel.
According to Watts (1985:126) the Scripture is translated as “Seek out the fathers”. This is a clear reference to the practices of ancestor worship in which the living believe that the dead ancestors have a bearing on their current earthly existence. This is a clear condemnation of ancestor worship. Watts (1985:126) says that this Scripture also contains a fairly derogatory reference to the practices of necromancy when it describes the diviners/mediums/spiritist who “chirp and mutter” . This implies a garbled gibberish which the necromancer utters in his/her trancelike state. The text explicitly refers to people who consult the dead and therefore to the belief that the dead have the ability to help the living. This was necessary since the Ancient Near East (including Israel) was drawn to divination as much as any other group of nations in the history of mankind. The context here suggests that Isaiah had to defend his prophetic calling and role against diviners and spiritualists.
A person who was virtually “pregnant” with a god or spirit.
Gehman (1999:152) refers to Gesenius who defined a medium as someone with “a familiar spirit”. The Hebrew word ob denotes in its simplest terms, “a leather bottle” which was typically used for water or wine. It later also denoted a “necromancer, sorcerer, conjurer who professes to call up the dead by means of incantations [magic words] and magic formulas, in order that they may give response as to doubtful or future things.”. This clearly compares the medium to a leather bottle, filled with a spirit. From the belly of the medium come the gurgling, bubbling sounds of the spirit which possessed him/her.
The Greek word (“ventriloquist”) was used by the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew term (Lv 19:31; 1 Sm 28:3-9). Today the term “ventriloquist” denotes a person who has the ability to project his/her voice so that it appears to be coming from another person or puppet. However, among the Greeks it denoted someone who had a distinct involvement with spirits. Therefore, Langton (1942:178) argues that in the ancient world a ventriloquist implied a person who was virtually “pregnant” with a god or spirit.
The righteous dead cannot return and communicate with the living
• Luke 16:19-31
Jesus’ account of the rich man and Lazarus, recorded in Luke 16, provides further insight into the condition of the dead and what happens after death. O’Donovan (1996:220) points out that this passage clearly indicates that it is impossible for the living to communicate with the dead. Luke 16:25-28 clearly shows that the rich man wanted Lazarus to warn his brothers against making the same mistakes he had made. Nolland (1993:831) indicates that the usage of which translates as “besides all this” in this verse appears to be consistent with Lukan usage. It further confirms the fixed determination of the will of God and the topology of Hades which objectifies the will and purpose of God. It is also emphatic that no momentary surge of sympathy can change this will and purpose of God.
Nolland (1993:830) further mentions that only in verse 26 appears to be Lukan diction. This is translated as “I ask … that” used in a petitionary manner which indicates that although he acknowledges that his fate is sealed and unchangeable, something may yet be done for those for whom he harbours affection. As Nolland (1993:831) points out, the plea for a personal warning indicates that the rich man is aware of his moral accountability for his own actions and that he realises too late that he could have acted differently.
However, as verses 19 to -31 shows, this request was not granted. From this account it is evident that there is a clear divide between the righteous and the unrighteous dead and that the dead do not have freedom of movement as suggested by the underlying beliefs of ancestor worship. Clearly then, the dead are not able to exert an influence on the lives of the living. From this passage it is clear that the dead cannot communicate with the living on any matter. The response to the rich man’s request was that his brothers needed to believe what God had said to save themselves from torment. Yamaguchi (1985:46) argues that the belief that the ancestors are able to communicate with the living members of the family is meaningless. Therefore, the Bible does not encourage or support a relationship between the living and the dead. Furthermore, these Scriptures indicate that the fear of the ancestors is unfounded.
Gehman (1999:178) points out that the righteous dead cannot return and communicate with the living as 2 Samuel 12:23 and Job 19:27 clearly state that when a person dies the relationship between the living and the dead is irrevocably severed. The righteous dead are in the presence of God and therefore cannot be called back to earth. The only Scripture which could possibly suggest that it would be possible for a person to return to communicate with the living is the passage at 1 Samuel 28. He also argues that Mosaic Law equated communication with the dead with a form of idolatry, which is in essence a sin of spiritual prostitution (1999:180).
However, the mere fact that a prohibition on necromancy or communicating with the dead was considered necessary suggests that the phenomenon could be more of a problem and more widespread than described in the Scriptures.
King Saul at Endor (1 Sm 28:3-19)
The encounter between King Saul and the Witch of Endor is often understood to indicate that the living can communicate with the dead. From the foregoing Ss criptures it is evident that God condemns any attempt to contact the dead. However, 1 Samuel 28:3-19 appears to suggest that it is possible for the living to contact the dead. This passage is open to numerous interpretations but does not prove conclusively that the dead are able to communicate with the living. Even if Samuel were able to speak with Saul, this was an unusual instance of the special power of God and needs to be examined closely.
In the Biblical context, death marks a complete break with earthly existence.
“The dead do not know anything“
Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 clearly rejects the notion of communion or interaction between the living and the dead
The question is whether or not the Bible opposes this view? Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 clearly rejects the notion of communion or interaction between the living and the dead when it states that ” … the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. Indeed their love, their hate, and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun … There is no activity or planning or wisdom in where you are going.. “
Not the souls of the departed – fallen angels or demons who are masters of disguise
Beyerhaus (1966:137-145) further contends that Jewish and Christian scholars agree that it is dangerous to pursue communication with the dead. This perceived danger lies in fears that the spiritual forces at work in such activities are “not the souls of the departed but the power of the fallen angels or demons who are masters of disguise. ” (Bae 2004:352). Therefore, it stands to reason, that the state of the dead does not constitute a continuation of life on earth or a parallel reality to live on earth in which individuals have the same physical needs for food, shelter, clothes (Bae 2004:352). Thus, the ancestor cult’s notion that the ancestors are able to influence and help their living descendants is unscriptural and irreconcilable with the Christian view of God and death. The ancestors clearly do not have any supernatural powers which enable them to bestow benevolence or inflict suffering upon their descendents.
The ritual practices associated with ancestor worship are heavily reliant upon the premise that the dead are able to return to the living and have an influence on the lives of the living; that it is acceptable for the living to communicate with the dead and lastly that the living are able to exert an influence on the destiny of the deceased ancestor. In fact the preceding sections have made it clear that the Bible condemns necromancy and associated practices, and therefore it is not in alignment with the Bible’s principles. Secondly, the discussion has pointed out that although some individuals do experience what appears to be the spirits of deceased ancestors, the Biblical evidence which has been presented makes it clear that these experiences or apparitions should not be taken “at face value”.
Furthermore, the Bible makes it clear that once a person has died it is impossible for him or her to return to communicate with the living. It is clear from Romans 6:23 that all men die and that death is the wages of sin – an inevitable consequence. The only incident in the Scriptures which has been the source of dogmatic controversy is the incident where Samuel “appeared” to the Witch of Endor (1 Sm 28). The explanations which have been put forward have made it clear that what was “seen”, was a result of the special working of God’s power, and by His permission for His purposes. As the Bible clearly admonishes, those who dapple in necromancy or spiritism commit what is considered to be spiritual prostitution.
The abode of the dead which is expounded in the Scriptures is known as_or_ The aforementioned sections have conclusively shown that _and_ refer to the common grave of mankind where all souls are destined to go once they have died a physical death. The final destination of the righteous souls is heaven and therefore the analogy of Lazarus and the rich man cannot be construed to prove that the living can communicate with the dead or that the living can have a bearing on the destiny of the dead. It was not possible for the rich man to communicate with his living relatives to warn them of their imminent fate if they did not mend their ways.
Their spirit’s departed, and there is no communication with departed spirits.
I believe the argument for having encounters with Enoch and Elijah are that they didn’t die, therefore this is not ‘communicating with the dead. The reality is tho,’ they didn’t die, but their spirits departed, and there is no communication with departed spirits. Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration is an exception, and the disciples saw His glory. Scripture makes it clear we are not to communicate with the departed, and cannot do so. Appearances of ‘apparent’ dead Christians, are familiar spirits.
Un-Scriptural naivety has exposed many people to demonic delusion and deception.
The Book of Enoch appeals to people’s spiritual curiosity, and because he didn’t die, this leads some to believe they can encounter him today. Much in this apocryphical book lends itself to unbiblical beliefs and practices, like necromancy, human translation to divine, conversation with angels, access to heaven, supernatural encounters with angels. I show in my blog on the book of Enoch, that these writings spawned much occult activity, and I therefore believe that reading and embracing this book, accepting it’s content as true and perhaps even inspired by God, provides opportunity for demonic encounters with counterfeit figures, such as Enoch, or deceased Christians, that are attributed with having a powerful ‘mantle of anointing.’
Many are seeking or claiming to have rec’d, physically from dead saints, their ‘mantle,’ such as William Branham, Kathryn Kulman, Smith Wiggelsworth etc. A popular practice is laying on the graves of deceased Christian leaders, claiming to rec’ their anointing that way. This borders on necromancy, rec’ing something tangible from the dead! (in reality demonic spirits)
I think an accurate observation would be, that many if not most of those who claim to have had encounters with Enoch, have read and embraced the Book of Enoch, and they are pursuing every kind of supernatural encounter, and experience imaginable, and it’s getting very bizarre, as I will briefly show here.
The Ennegram –Kything Prayer
The Ennegram –Kything Prayer.“This is a way of calling up another person’s spirit to enter you, so that you can use their energy and gifts for yourself. You can also let others “centre” into your spirit to call your spirit to them. You can do this with saints as well as others who are dead and it’s all done in the name of Christian Prayer.”
Ennegram is being taught in many evangelical churches today!
These encounters I post below, are, I believe, demonic counterfeits. In one article on ‘angel’ phenomenon, I discover how this happens. https://www.facebook.com/daryl.giffin.35/posts/498730507593524 (‘Shining ones’ section). Thanks to https://carolynandloren.com/…/section-three-s…/i-spirit-man/
Ian Clayton http://pabberetta.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-foundational-truth-of-baptisms-by.html
“(On one of Ian’s visits to heaven he meets with Enoch on the side of a river in heaven): “Enoch looked at me and he said, “Now you can relate and identify with the Father because you have been in His nature and His character, because His nature and His character are in the River.” I did not know what else to do, I just shouted, “Yahoo – Hallelujah! This feels so good – in fact I do not want to go home!” (But I have a job to do, so I had to come home). “
“Ian Clayton is a forerunner in the mystic realm of God. His heart cry is to walk with the Lord just like Enoch. In this session he shares on encountering God in the garden of Eden.”
Engaging God • “Bob Jones the prophet who in 1975 prophesied a billion harvest appeared in our meeting 3 days after his passing as one of the cloud of witnesses • He offered a fiery scroll for the billion fold harvest • A week later Jesus stood here with another fiery scroll for the Joshua Generation”
Engaging God • “At an Ian Clayton conference in worship I saw Joshua and Joseph come and stand on my left and right and Enoch stand behind and Daniel stand in front • Joseph and Joshua held up my hands to strengthen me • Joshua generation will also be the Joseph, Daniel and Enoch generation.”
Some years ago, in 2014, Matthew Robert Payne interviewed 19 saints, which included an interview with Elijah and Enoch, the two witnesses in Revelation 11. Today, so that people don’t miss what they have said, Matthew has republished their interviews in this small book. ‘Interviews With The Two Witnesses.’ (He also wrote, ‘Michael Jackson Speaks From Heaven.’
Host: Terry Spencer
Revolution Glory Ministries
Terry Spencer says, about his ‘Enoch flight School’- Birthed out of several encounters with Enoch himself and several dreams and visions and teaching his people how to ‘Fly’ in the natural and experience more in the supernatural realms, you’re invited to join an extraordinary, interactive webinar series based on the mystery of the life of Enoch, his incredible encounters and exploits and how you can begin to do the same amazing things he did in the physical and supernatural realms.
Justin Abraham says; “I read books on the lives of the saints, contemplating and meditating on how the Lord moved through them, praying and engaging Heaven by faith. I eventually found the Lord introduced me to his dear friends. One of the most recent was in September 2015. Quite unexpectedly, the French mystic Madame Guyon came in the Spirit to our home. She humbly kneeled before me, silently praying. The Presence of God rushed through the whole house. My wife Rachel came downstairs to see what was happening. It was precious and life changing. Don’t you want your own experiences like this? Then live with an open heart.” http://library.gospelheralds.com/wpcontent/uploads/2018/09/Justin_Paul_Abraham_Beyond_HumanGospelHeralds.com_.pdf
Benny Hinn In the process of researching, I came across a shocking, very telling account of Benny Hinn’s statement on TBN, years ago, that he had actually been visited by Kathryn Kulman, after her death, more than once, in dreams, visions and appearances, and as well by Elijah! Here is the report, revealing this. http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/Hinn1.htm
Communicating With The Dead-Departed Spirits
Accounts of supernatural encounters (demonic apparitions) with the spirits of departed ones are now common and endless, revealing a troubling descent into ‘the great falling away,’ and ‘deception of the very elect,’ as many succumb to great delusion,’ believing the lie!’
The prophetic movement is rife with claims of visitations from the dead, or visiting the dead in heaven. Justifications pointing out that Enoch didn’t die, do not validate speaking with any who have departed this earth. A great delusion, believing a lie!
“A man or a woman who speaks to spirits as a medium or necromancer, shall surely be put to death.” Lev.20:27
“A man or a woman who is a medium or spiritist must surely be put to death. They shall be stoned; their blood is upon them.’ ”
“And a man or woman, when there is a familiar spirit in them, or who [are] wizards, are certainly put to death; they stone them with stone; their blood [is] on them.”
Medium #178. ob – a bottle (made from animal skin), a necromancer-uttering a sound like a voice speaking thro’ an empty bottle skin. This implies a garbled gibberish muttering which the necromancer utters in his/her trancelike state, as familiar spirits speak thro’ them.ghost,
Isaiah 29:4 “thy voice shall be as a ghost from the ground and from the dust thy speech shall chirp.” – but chirping might be of necromancer, as Isaiah 8:19).
-a subterranean spirit, -divine, inquire by necromancy- usually interpreted as ghost or familiar spirit conceived as dwelling in necromancer- one that has a familiar spirit-supposedly calling up the spirit of the dead
familiar spirit- #3049. yiddeoni –acquainted with secrets of unseen worldFrom yada’; properly, a knowing one; specifically, a conjurer; a ghost — wizard.
“Necromancy is literally “divination by means of the dead”, coming from the Hellenistic Greek “nekrosh” (dead) and “manteia” (divination). However, it’s important to understand that, prior to this, the Classical Greek term “nekyia” also referred to a rite by which ghosts were called up and questioned about the future. The thing is that it signified a descent into Hades in order to consult the dead.”